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Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by xboxnolifes on Saturday August 31, 2024 @05:06PM (#41411972)
It's sometimes safer to speed up 5mph over the limit to get through a yellow light, than to slam your brakes with someone behind you. It's frequently safer to speed to match people speeding around you then to match the stated speed limit (usually on freeways).
Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by askvictor on Saturday August 31, 2024 @05:46PM (#41412264)
These are both problems caused by poor driving (other peoples' in this case). Maybe with a traffic law panopticon everyone would drive better and these would disappear
Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by mauvehaus on Saturday August 31, 2024 @06:04PM (#41412373)
This is actually a problem with speed limits that don't match the road or alternatively, roads that aren't designed to incentivize people driving the intended speed.

In theory, the speed limit should be set to the 80th or 85th percentile speed of traffic, and the road should be engineered so that the 80th percentile speed is appropriate to the surroundings.

https://www.mikeontraffic.com/85th-percentile-speed-explaine...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_calming

Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by XorNot on Saturday August 31, 2024 @10:32PM (#41413753)
I'm extremely skeptical of this idea of "speed limits which don't match the road" unless people are arguing them down. Because the whole point is that people reliably overestimate their driving ability, and thus overestimate the safe rate of travel on a road.

The road I live on displays this all the time, and that's just an advisory road: the speed limit going down the winding slope near my house is about 50 kmh...that is probably the absolute maximum you can navigate those turns at in perfect conditions, and in reality it's considerably slower - and there are steep embankments either side, so if you lose control your car is at the mercy as to whether or not a tree will stop it plunging over the edge.

Anyway, there's been a fair number of damaged cars and one near miss from said creek plunge in the 2 years I've lived here.

Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by TomK32 on Sunday September 01, 2024 @01:59AM (#41414667)
You live on an extreme road where road engineering can't do much due to the given environment and possibly low budget if the road is not that important. Though anything that slows vehicles before entering this stretch of road, or a much less harmful obstacle to heighten their awareness could improve the situation.

Roads where planners have a literal blank sheet is where roads need to be designed better to slow down drivers to the desired speed limit. Sometimes it's as simple as adding traffic islands for pedestrians, narrowing the road or planing trees next to the road.

Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by XorNot on Sunday September 01, 2024 @07:30AM (#41416018)
"advisory" was ambiguous - I meant say, the lower speed limit is advisory - as in "45kmh an hour when wet".

I live in the middle of Sydney. This is an urban road. It is directly off a major highway in a suburban residential area.

It is a regular residential suburban street. No amount of "clever planning" will undo the natural topography of the region. It is a paved, well maintained road and that's the problem - people's judgement of what "feels right" depends on numerous factors they can't see and which don't matter.

They're in the middle of a recently resurfaced, asphalt road with a footpath down the side and what looks like trees and bush on side, and a cliff cut on the other. But it's relatively steep, winds a fair bit due to the climb, but also looks isolated when you're at the bottom because it runs through a state park area.

From street level you cannot tell how slippery it might be when wet (which people just plain suck at), how wet "wet" actually has to be (i.e. partially wet roads are more dangerous then when it's a hard downpour because the surface becomes slick), and unless you paid close attention to the area you can't know that there's no real protection along the side of the road (which shouldn't even be a factor: no one should be driving in a way where they depend on crash severity safety measures).

Observably, people's judgement of "feels right" sucks because as noted: there's been a fair few crashes basically caused by people taking corners too fast (which is to say, maybe they were speeding but that again is the point - they think they can safely go faster, and no, they actually can't and aren't good at judging that) - one of which was a car which very luckily ploughed into a very sturdy tree stump and didn't send it's occupants down the drop into the gulley.

Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by ClassyJacket on Saturday August 31, 2024 @07:58PM (#41412978)
You don't ever need to slam on your brakes or speed up for yellow lights, that's the entire point of the yellow light existing instead of just going straight to red.
Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by xboxnolifes on Saturday August 31, 2024 @08:22PM (#41413089)
Not if they're poorly timed.
Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by NiloCK on Saturday August 31, 2024 @09:09PM (#41413361)
What does this mean?

If you observe a yellow and can safely stop, then stop. If you can't safely stop, then don't stop.

Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by hnburnsy on Saturday August 31, 2024 @11:52PM (#41414137)
Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by Reviving1514 on Saturday August 31, 2024 @08:26PM (#41413117)
Some yellows aren't too well timed, especially if on a downhill slope.
Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by grepfru_it on Saturday August 31, 2024 @09:40PM (#41413519)
Again back to control of your vehicle. I would expect a first time driver to make your complaint. A driver for multiple years should be able to adapt their speed for their surroundings
Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by singleshot_ on Saturday August 31, 2024 @08:38PM (#41413175)
If you’re speeding up for yellow lights, you are a terrible driver and you should seek out some better skills and practices.
Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by lotsoweiners on Monday September 02, 2024 @11:49AM (#41426457)
I dunno. I’d rather speed up to make it through than slam on my brakes and have someone rear end me. That’s how I drive and I’ve never been in an accident in around 30 years of driving.
Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by XorNot on Saturday August 31, 2024 @10:28PM (#41413730)
Speed cameras aren't installed at intersections though.

You are railing against an example which doesn't exist.

Re:Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be comi... by jsjohnst on Saturday August 31, 2024 @10:39PM (#41413787)
That is quite literally not true. Many states have speed cameras at intersections.