Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought
by card_zero on Saturday August 31, 2024 @03:19AM
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Though perpetual motion is reasoned to be false, rather than declared false because statistically we never had any luck trying, or by an exhaustive search of all possible perpetual motion machines.
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought
by Cupertino95014 on Saturday August 31, 2024 @08:23AM
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It isn't just statistics and bad luck for PM inventors. There are physical reasons arguing strongly that it's impossible.
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought
by card_zero on Saturday August 31, 2024 @10:40AM
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That's what I said. How are you reading the opposite?
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought
by Cupertino95014 on Sunday September 01, 2024 @09:44AM
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You're right: you said "statistically we never had any luck trying, or by an exhaustive search of all possible perpetual motion machines." as an antithesis.
I took "reasoned to be false" as sort of a weak and refutable statement.
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought
by guerrilla on Saturday August 31, 2024 @08:25AM
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That is what the person you're responding to meant.
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought
by guerrilla on Saturday August 31, 2024 @03:16AM
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People started searching for the structure of the atom in like 400 BC and didn't make any progress until they knew how. We know why perpetual motion isn't going to be found, so there's no reason to look for it in the first place. This isn't a relevant argument.
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought
by card_zero on Saturday August 31, 2024 @03:32AM
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Searching for animal intelligence certainly feels like an exhaustive search of all possible perpetual motion machines, and similarly, people keep on enthusiastically nearly finding it. And of course this is plagued by a lack of a good definition, and crows unlocking puzzles and other animals doing other scraps of smart stuff.
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought
by guerrilla on Saturday August 31, 2024 @03:48AM
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It seems like nonsense to be searching for things without perfectly clear criteria. Don't look for things if you don't know what you're looking for, or at least don't call it "looking for", just call it what it is: "poking around and brainstorming."
It's important to tell former from latter. Unexplored things are not the same as things that have been explored and found false.