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Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought by _huayra_ on Saturday August 31, 2024 @12:08AM (#41406483)
The real separation (and is something that comes long after 2 years of age in humans) is the ability to observe one's thoughts. I totally get that dolphins and elephants and many "big brain" mammals can have social structures, long memories, and the ability to pass down behaviors directly (e.g. "here's how you hunt fish effectively" may not be in dolphin genes, but they do a damn good job of it, or also the "fads" of orcas like the "salmon hat" or, more recently, attacking sailboats).

The absolutely blistering pace a child can learn at, though, is indeed quite a sight to behold.

Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought by deberon on Saturday August 31, 2024 @12:28AM (#41406548)
In the time it took me to learn a new programming language, my kid learned how to be a whole entire human being. Including free thought and autocorrect mode. I don’t know what makes us special in the animal kingdom, but watching that happen certainly feels special. Do whales feel the same way about their young?
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought by hungie on Saturday August 31, 2024 @12:35AM (#41406578)
Whales almost certainly do not feel the same way. They feel like whales about their young. That's not to discount whales: that feeling may be profound and emotional for them. But it's probably alien to the human experience.
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought by conradev on Saturday August 31, 2024 @02:29AM (#41406928)
I’m sure their sensory experience is different from ours, but is the feeling truly alien? We share enough genetics to share the same brain chemicals, for one
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought by rrr_oh_man on Saturday August 31, 2024 @02:34AM (#41406943)
Why probably?
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought by hungie on Saturday August 31, 2024 @03:10AM (#41407060)
I dunno, I've never spoken with a whale to compare notes.
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought by roenxi on Saturday August 31, 2024 @05:57AM (#41407684)
For starters, whales aren't tool users. So it'd be something of a surprise if evolution had programmed them to feel joy when their offspring use tools. Humans, on the other hand, seem to get a bit of a kick out of teaching other people (especially kids) to do things which makes a lot of evolutionary sense given how strategically central tools are to our species.
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought by DFHippie on Saturday August 31, 2024 @06:56AM (#41407896)
I feel that people who study animal intelligence started with the dictum "don't assume similarity to humans" and immediately interpreted it as "assume dissimilarity to humans".
Re:Crows Are Even Smarter Than We Thought by stubish on Saturday August 31, 2024 @12:59AM (#41406649)
One interesting aside in this article was that the crows don't teach each other how to make tools. But a child might steal a tool from a parent and work it out. This demonstrates the problem solving type of intelligence, working out how to reshape a wire to a useful shape for instance. But not a 'higher' intelligence teaching or demonstrating to others. Which is kind of odd, as I see young birds following their parents and imitating and learning. So I guess this shows parent birds don't teach, but young birds instinctively follow around and learn?