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Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by ttol on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:08PM (#4137900)
I think cutting all the legacy is a good move -- start over from scratch. They have the wherewithal to round developer support (and also leverage their Xbox relationships), so cutting baggage is a good idea.
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by danieldk on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:14PM (#4137955)
I have a Windows Phone (Lumia 710) besides my iPhone, that I bought two weeks ago. The phone itself was released in Europe in November 2011. And now it's outdated/legacy already?

It breaks trust. How would I know that if I buy a WP 8 phone that it will be supported with upgrades a year down the line?

Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by desigooner on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:21PM (#4137990)
Wouldn't such criticisms be valid for Android as well?
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by cryptoz on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:29PM (#4138038)
Depends. No such criticism can be said of Android as an OS, but you could certainly make good arguments directed at the ecosystem in general. The interesting thing here isn't that the upgrade isn't compatible, it's that most people would expect Microsoft to support older systems. It's a break in their character. Maybe a good one? We'll see.
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by barista on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @02:48PM (#4138492)
So it is delivering an update for those phones too. Additionally there is a promise to support OTA upgrade of all released devices for 18 months. What android phone has that commitment?
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by cryptoz on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @03:42PM (#4138773)
> What android phone has that commitment?

To the best of my knowledge, all pure Android phones have that, plus more in some cases (the Nexus line). Additionally, many of the higher-end ones from other manufacturers likely do as well.

Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by barista on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @05:00PM (#4139066)
Source?

and what percentage of android phones are these pure android devices?

Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by evilduck on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @02:00PM (#4138215)
It is, and it drove me from Android to iOS.
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by cmelbye on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @03:38PM (#4138746)
Absolutely they would. Plenty of Android devices are left in limbo waiting for the upgrade, or aren't given at all.
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by jan_g on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @05:43PM (#4139272)
Yes, but majority of users don't care about upgrades. Those who do care ... they usually go custom ROM route. Quite a few of my friends have cyanogenmod roms with newer android versions, since the manufacturer (htc, et al) dropped support for the device.
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by sjwright on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:13PM (#4137941)
> I think cutting all the legacy is a good move

Microsoft clearly agree with you, because they seem to be doing that with every generation of Windows Phone.

Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by brudgers on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:18PM (#4137974)
There's only been one generation of Windows Phone with two releases.

Windows Mobile was substantially different and went through many generations with upgrades dependent upon carrier implementation.

Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by glhaynes on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:23PM (#4137999)
True from Microsoft's perspective but from a customer's perspective it looks like "Windows for phones" changes radically and entirely incompatibly pretty often.

Edit: On the other hand, most of the current market probably didn't know about Windows Mobile so perhaps that's mostly moot.

Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by freehunter on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:27PM (#4138027)
Twice in the past 10 years, or once every 5 years. That's the difference between iOS 1 (2007) and iOS 5.
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by glhaynes on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:34PM (#4138065)
We could just as easily say "twice in 2 years, or once every year" since the first WP7 devices shipped in late 2010 and WP8 will be out by end of 2012.
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by freehunter on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @03:23PM (#4138666)
That's ignoring the long history of Windows Mobile from 2002 to 2010 though.
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by onetwothreefour on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @09:53PM (#4140096)
That history is irrelevant since we're talking about Windows Phone and not Windows Mobile.

Did HN get over-run by MS employees or something? What the hell is going on! :)

Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by sjwright on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:51PM (#4138157)
WP6 > KIN > WP7 > WP8. I count three killed platforms in three years.
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by freehunter on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @03:21PM (#4138659)
Kin wasn't an official Windows Mobile/Phone platform, though.
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by glhaynes on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:10PM (#4137916)
How much legacy is there? It doesn't seem like Windows Phone 7 handsets have been out that long... and my impression wasn't that they were generally extremely low-specced.
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by KeyBoardG on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @02:21PM (#4138339)
Its not entirely a start over from scratch. Every WP7 app will work going forward. I do agree with the move though. Its better than having a bunch of old phones running WP8 with a poor experience.
Re:Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 by huggyface on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @02:26PM (#4138369)
Legacy? For reals?

WP7 is much younger than Android and the iPhone. Already they're cutting out the "legacy"?