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Re:Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing by singhrac on Sunday August 25, 2024 @05:11PM (#41351472)
Out of curiosity are you operating at a scale where "MinIO on a Hetzner node" isn't a viable replacement? I totally believe that's possible, just curious about the use case.
Re:Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing by rad_gruchalski on Sunday August 25, 2024 @05:52PM (#41351777)
Are you serious? Self-managed MinIO on a bunch of drives vs fully managed operation-less S3. Comparing apples to oranges. And the license, AGPLv3 is a non-starter for virtually any business serious about their intellectual property.
Re:Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing by doctorpangloss on Sunday August 25, 2024 @07:33PM (#41352502)
> AGPLv3 is a non-starter for virtually any business serious about their intellectual property.

What do you mean? Can you describe a scenario where this MinIO license matters?

Re:Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing by rad_gruchalski on Monday August 26, 2024 @06:02AM (#41355598)
I'm confusing things myself. One's okay as long as one doesn't modify the code.
Re:Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing by rtpg on Sunday August 25, 2024 @07:27PM (#41352452)
If you thought "I had to publish any code changes I make to my object storage server" was bad, wait until you find out that you're not even allowed to make code changes to S3 servers!

Obviously the fully-managed nature of S3 is very valuable compared to MinIO but the licensing issues seem neither here or there.

Re:Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing by sakjur on Monday August 26, 2024 @06:11AM (#41355649)
I’d argue that the smaller you are, the more sense S3 makes, since its costs scales down to zero and offer a high degree of reliability from the first file stored.

Rolling your own storage comes with at least some operational expenses, if you’re counting your data/egress in gigabytes that’s likely not worth it compared to just using S3 or similar services.

Re:Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing by vidarh on Monday August 26, 2024 @06:54AM (#41355935)
S3 is so expensive at scale that it only makes sense if you're tiny or if you have extreme durability requirements and your working set is tiny.

The durability can have value at scale, because ensuring it at scale with MinIO can be a lot work. But I often recommend to clients that they deploy a Hetzner setup as a cache, often with storage all the way up covering 100% of their data depending on access partner, because the AWS egress fees are so insanely extortionate that you never really want to read data from AWS at scale other than as an emergency option.

Re:Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing by stavros on Monday August 26, 2024 @08:35AM (#41356513)
I just use R2. Who says that if I use one company, they have to provide every single service under the sun to be useful?
Re:Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing by cryptonym on Monday August 26, 2024 @09:42AM (#41357027)
Linode is quite cheap and comes with Object storage so you don't have to maintain a MinIO