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Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by Semaphor on Friday August 23, 2024 @12:23PM (#41330329)
It's not the sites, it's torrenting. Without a VPN, they get your IP, and you are on the hook for "commercial distribution" (as clients also upload) unless you pay X00 euros.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by rurban on Friday August 23, 2024 @12:45PM (#41330547)
Private torrenting is certainly not commercial distribution.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by Semaphor on Friday August 23, 2024 @12:48PM (#41330572)
Tell that to our courts ;)
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by gruez on Friday August 23, 2024 @01:02PM (#41330709)
Commercial distribution isn't the only way you can violate copyrights
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by Semaphor on Friday August 23, 2024 @01:08PM (#41330775)
Just violating copyright wouldn't really matter. Damages would be tiny, and so would be what the lawyers can blackmail you for. It's being on the hook for the damages of distribution that gets the high fees.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by Semaphor on Friday August 23, 2024 @04:54PM (#41333019)
Please tell me what's wrong about my comment instead of blindly downvoting, thank you.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by throwaway48540 on Saturday August 24, 2024 @02:33AM (#41336119)
It's simply not true, from my personal experience. Who cares it's tiny when it's still more than I want or can pay.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by Semaphor on Saturday August 24, 2024 @03:24AM (#41336304)
You have personal experience with being sued for downloading without distribution in Germany?
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by throwaway48540 on Saturday August 24, 2024 @11:44AM (#41339042)
I wasn't sued at the end of it, but nearly. Had to pay few hundred euro. Still sucked.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by Semaphor on Saturday August 24, 2024 @11:52PM (#41344235)
Huh, that is super interesting, are you 100% certain it wasn’t torrents and thus including distribution? Hundreds of euros is crazy, that’s what people pay for distribution.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by throwaway48540 on Sunday August 25, 2024 @03:25AM (#41345198)
Violating copyright means distribution - giving out copies without the right to do so.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by rurban on Sunday August 25, 2024 @09:55AM (#41347335)
Sure, but private distribution is something completely different than commercial distribution. And private distribution under friends up to 15 is even legal.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by throwaway48540 on Sunday August 25, 2024 @10:08AM (#41347408)
Yes, sharing privately using for example a flash drive, sending file via messaging app, or a private download link that's not shared publicly is not distribution. But I was replying to your comment that said "violation of copyright", which implies distribution - torrents in my case. Fortunately I didn't distribute much, I had the torrent client set to a low speed, so I was able to settle it out of court.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by Semaphor on Monday August 26, 2024 @12:19AM (#41353984)
So it was distribution. As I originally said.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by throwaway48540 on Monday August 26, 2024 @09:26AM (#41356906)
I replied to a comment about violation of copyright, which implies distribution.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by Semaphor on Monday August 26, 2024 @10:44AM (#41357655)
There have been courts that decided downloading is copying, is infringement. But even if I used incorrect wording, I specifically mentioned distribution being the issue in my original comment.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by throwaway48540 on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:49AM (#41364867)
No, there is a specific ruling says that says downloading for personal use is not infringement or violation of copyright. The person who uploaded it is the one infringing by giving out copies, not the person downloading. That's why downloading gets a pass. Any violation of copyright in Europe necessarily includes uploading.
Re:17-Year-Old Student Exposes Germany's 'Secret' Pirate Sit... by rrr_oh_man on Saturday August 24, 2024 @03:15PM (#41340669)
You should move to Germany and argue this exact point in front of a bored 54-year old regional judge (who does not own a smartphone) on a Wednesday afternoon.