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Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by HPsquared on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @01:25PM (#41312341)
This effect also applies to polymers! Perhaps even more so. Take a polyethylene bag (LDPE) and stretch the material in one direction. You might notice the material becomes thinner but also stronger. This is due to the polymer chains becoming aligned. Eventually you get "drawn fibers" where the molecular strands are aligned with the fibers for optimum tensile strength.
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @02:30PM (#41312856)
That makes sense, if I don't rip open a bag on the first try it'll just stretch and never open
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by myself248 on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @08:49PM (#41315628)
Stretch it in one direction, then grab in the middle of the stretched area and pull sideways, and it pops open like nothing.
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by ahartmetz on Friday August 23, 2024 @06:08AM (#41327696)
Cool, need to try that!

Now I wonder if that is how these "magic cut" wasabi and ginger sachets work.

Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by kragen on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @05:07PM (#41314196)
it varies a lot with polymers, and it's a different effect. steel is entirely crystalline; ldpe is mostly amorphous. a big part of what's happening in the strain hardening of ldpe, aside from making it uniaxially oriented, is that it's crystallizing; the crystalline domains become larger, greatly reducing the amorphous volume fraction. (there are also other ways of achieving this effect, such as annealing, which you will notice softens steel rather than hardening it.) ldpe's strength isn't determined by crystal dislocation density in the same way as steel's, and of course steel doesn't have polymer chains to align
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by wizardforhire on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @07:56PM (#41315365)
This is exactly what dyneema is only with hdpe.
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by kragen on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @11:33PM (#41316561)
no, dyneema is not hdpe; it's uhmwpe, and it isn't just strain-hardened, it's gelspun
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by libria on Thursday August 22, 2024 @01:11AM (#41317038)
Assuming these terms are all correctly spelled, this has to be the shortest sentence I've understood the least of on HN.

Guess I've got some googling to do.

Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by NavinF on Thursday August 22, 2024 @02:07AM (#41317301)
UHMW = ultra high molecular weight. Each molecule is literally heavy because they have a lot of atoms.

PE = polyethylene. The most popular plastic on this planet.

HDPE = high-density polyethylene. One of the most common plastics. Milk jugs, glue bottles, etc.

Stick some UHMW tape on anything that needs to slide easier. Its surface is quite slippery

Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by jessebro on Thursday August 22, 2024 @09:19AM (#41319943)
HDPE is also what Nalgenes and the like are made of (or used to be anyway), and is very popular for storing chemicals as well. It is very nearly completely inert.
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by kragen on Thursday August 22, 2024 @10:37AM (#41320777)
you cunninghammed me: nalgenes are polycarbonate, which is a lot less inert

all the polyethylenes are relatively inert, because polyethylenes are in some sense just heavy paraffins. paraffin is germanized latin for 'relatively inert'

Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by PuffinBlue on Thursday August 22, 2024 @12:45PM (#41322078)
And you have Cunninghammed me :-)

Some Nalgene's are polycarbonate, like those commonly drunk from. But not all, some are HDPE[0,1,2].

Some are Polypropylene co-polymer[3] but those are more for specialist things I guess.

[0] https://ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/ultralite-1-litre-wide-m... [1] https://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/p/nalgene-hdpe-125ml-wide-mo... [2] https://www.elitemountainsupplies.co.uk/camping-trekking-c4/... [3] https://www.thelabwarehouse.com/products/bottle-nalgene-ppco...

Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by kragen on Thursday August 22, 2024 @06:13PM (#41324773)
oh, thanks! i only knew the pc ones
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by zro on Thursday August 22, 2024 @03:28PM (#41323638)
The clear Nalgenes are polycarbonate, but the opaque ones (sold as "Ultralite Bottle" on their website) are made of HDPE
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by kragen on Thursday August 22, 2024 @01:36AM (#41317153)
they are! sorry to be telegraphic
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press by wizardforhire on Thursday August 22, 2024 @05:40AM (#41318379)
I stand corrected! Thanks for the headsup <3s