Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press
by jcgrillo on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @12:32PM
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My little 20 ton shop press brake can bend 5/8" plate. Incredible to imagine what this behemoth can do...
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Using advanced math I hereby extrapolate that this 50,000 ton press can bend 12,500/8" plate.
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press
by hwillis on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @01:07PM
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The second moment of area is quadratic with thickness (t^2), so 250/8" plate. But in reality 2-3x more than that, because at that scale steel gets a bit... goopy.
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press
by kristjansson on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @01:51PM
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I understand very little about machining, expect that _all_ materials are kinda squishy if one applies enough squish.
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press
by mikewarot on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @03:27PM
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Even inconel is bubble gum in a Kurt vise if you're chasing tenths, or microns.
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press
by jcgrillo on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @01:07PM
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well the next time I need some 130ft thick brackets I'll ask them whether I can use it after hours or on the weekend
EDIT: or, according to hwillis' math, 2.5ft thick. I guess those could be useful for anchoring a zipline to the moon or something.
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press
by hinkley on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @01:47PM
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I saw a guy weld 1.5 or 2 inch plate once to repair the bucket on a giant bulldozer. That was… interesting. I was trying to figure out why he left such a big gap until he started welding. He had to fit the head in to lay down layer after layer of welding bead to join the pieces at full depth.
How would you weld even one foot of steel?
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press
by jcgrillo on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @02:26PM
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For a butt joint V it out on both sides and do many, many passes. Maybe have a few guys with rosebud torches working heat into it as you go. Big rods make it go faster (https://youtu.be/j61ezBX-EyA). For a lap joint it's the same idea, you're going for a great big fillet. But if you have a gigantic press at your disposal there are other options. For inspiration: https://youtu.be/k_LA_R4ifYk
The idea behind forge welding is you get both parts nearly molten (e.g. "welding heat") then your hammer blow (or the pressure from a huge press) puts enough energy into the weld area to briefly melt it.
Also, hot rivets might be a better option than welding if you can get away with it.
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press
by buildbot on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @05:52PM
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Explosively? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion_welding
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press
by hinkley on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @09:41PM
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OMG. Are you required to slap it and say, "That'll hold" afterward?
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press
by jessebro on Thursday August 22, 2024 @09:33AM
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A lot of the armor plate on the big battleships like New Jersey were welded. Some of those are over a foot thick.
It would take a LOT of passes.
Letterman being silly with an 80 ton press:
Re:How to Build a 50K Ton Forging Press
by eric_the_read on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @03:20PM
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A worthy predecessor to the Hydraulic Press channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcMDMoNu66_1Hwi5-MeiQgw