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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by davedx on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @09:09AM (#41309929)
Distractions are often the safety systems themselves! Over the last 4 years, my Model 3 has progressively started beeping and chiming more and more at me, taking over my steering because it thinks I'm drifting out of my lane when I'm trying to actually change lanes, chimes because it thinks I'm going to run over a pedestrian or crash when there's actually a bend in the road - every year there is more of this and none of it works reliably. Other cars are similar but different.

I dread what cars are slowly turning into. Yet most people are still myopically focused on the drawbacks of touchscreens instead of hardware knobs.

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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by wlesieutre on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @09:18AM (#41310004)
> taking over my steering because it thinks I'm drifting out of my lane when I'm trying to actually change lanes

Isn’t this avoided by using your turn signal?

That’s how Mazda’s works

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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by hunter2_ on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @09:38AM (#41310169)
That's how VW works as well, when the next lane is clear. But if you're on a collision course according to the blind spot monitoring system, a turn signal won't suppress anything and temporarily makes for what feels like extra-aggressive lane keep. This is great if you failed to notice the other vehicle, but it does maintain a bit more buffer than some practiced weavers would find necessary (like during a lane change that would be cutting someone off if not for sufficient acceleration to produce a reasonable gap albeit on the late side).
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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by mmastrac on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @10:51AM (#41310877)
Are you admitting to weaving in and out of other traffic? That is insanely dangerous and I've been nearly hit by drivers like this repeatedly over the years.

Maybe there's a good reason the safety system of the car is fighting you on this

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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by hunter2_ on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @04:01PM (#41313669)
No. I've experienced this (insufficient gap for BSM to be satisfied) during accident avoidance maneuvers where a lane change of this nature was the better option than getting smashed, and from that I'm extrapolating that weavers would mistakenly think LKA is repeatedly interfering with lane changes when it's actually BSM doing so.
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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by jabroni_salad on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @02:37PM (#41312920)
I have a very different experience with my 22 Golf GTI. When I'm on the highway I use ACC with max following distance and lanekeep enabled. I know what all of the safety systems feel like and I never encounter them if I have the blinker on before I enter the ACC's zone and the 'car in front of you' indicator turns opaque.

I also like that if I am following someone slow with ACC it starts to accelerate the very second that I turn on the blinker so I can start passing. My old car would make you wait until it could read that the lane was clear.

The only system that I objectively dont like is the 'travel assist' (lane centering) because I do not like the lane position that it prefers.

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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by beAbU on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @09:47AM (#41310254)
Yeah I think GP is inadvertently admitting that they don't use indicators.
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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by screcth on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @10:53AM (#41310904)
It's really important that drivers can control their car at all times. Software should not override control because it "thinks" that you are making a mistake.

This seems like a recipe for disaster when you are in a situation in which you need to respond quickly to an unexpected circumstance.

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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by wlesieutre on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @01:10PM (#41312219)
I can't speak to every car, but my experience is the lanekeeping assist applies very little force to the wheel and if you're making any sort of emergency maneuver you'll go straight through it and feel a slight bump warning you that the car thinks you're crossing the line. If you push against it at all it doesn't stop you. Maybe it even stops trying to apply force entirely if you resist its initial nudge.

I thought it might be annoying when I first got a car with LKA, but I've yet to have any complaints about it.

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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by bugglebeetle on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @10:13AM (#41310504)
Classic Tesla owner.
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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @04:09PM (#41313757)
Some people only use their turn signal when other people are around.

I think that's an odd behavior. As far as I'm concerned, using the signal is just as much of part of a lane change as is turning the wheel. Be in the habit of using it every time and you'll never forget it.

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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by wlesieutre on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @05:22PM (#41314308)
The other thing about only using your turn signal when other people are around, is that what you're actually doing is using your turn signal when you're aware of other people being around.

Especially as a pedestrian I think a lot of drivers are basically blind to your existence and then don't bother to signal turns because if they don't notice you then why would they need to warn anyone of what they're about to do with their 6000 pound metal box? And besides, are pedestrians really people anyway?

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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by davedx on Friday August 30, 2024 @11:01AM (#41401377)
No, I always indicate. I am saying Tesla’s various safety systems frequently have false positives. Ask people who tried to get into the FSD beta program how reliable these systems are.
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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by bdamm on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @10:31AM (#41310692)
In my Model 3, when I use my turn signal this does not happen. Also, it can be disabled. And I could hardly say that the gentle tug is "taking over the steering", it's more like a nudge.

In my experience it does sometimes make errors, but it also sometimes makes very good assistance, so much so that I've come to depend on it. Have you ever noticed that the dings and chimes are much more frequent when you're looking away from the road?

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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by uoaei on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @10:39AM (#41310761)
Please use your turn signals.
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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @04:11PM (#41313772)
> taking over my steering because it thinks I'm drifting out of my lane when I'm trying to actually change lanes

Rather than being like other commenters telling you to use your turn signals, I'm going to take another approach. I'm going to ask.

Why aren't you using your turn signals?

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