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Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by brigadier132 on Saturday August 17, 2024 @04:43PM (#41277802)
You can't claim to be defending people's rights while also jailing people without trial.
Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by gcbirzan on Saturday August 17, 2024 @05:35PM (#41278181)
Oh, no, nobody ever goes to jail in any 'civilised' country without a trial. I mean, except if they're from the US and are poor. But, other than that, nobody. There are no countries where it's possible to hold someone in jail before trial. None.
Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by viraptor on Saturday August 17, 2024 @05:45PM (#41278251)
> where it's possible to hold someone in jail before trial

Honestly, what did you expect? "Pretty please turn up for the trial and not kill anyone else while we're waiting?" Every country allows this if the crime was severe enough or the person is likely to be dangerous to others in the meantime. Usually there's a threshold to do that, but it's going to happen.

Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by gcbirzan on Saturday August 17, 2024 @05:51PM (#41278294)
The threshold, at least in the countries whose laws I'm familiar with, isn't just "will they turn up for trial", but also "are they a risk to other people or are they likely to continue breaking the law". And, to be honest, that makes sense.
Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by HideousKojima on Saturday August 17, 2024 @10:50PM (#41279783)
Sounds like the US bail system to me
Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by chbint on Saturday August 17, 2024 @05:16PM (#41278034)
Indeed, but no one is doing that.

In Brazil there's what we call "preventive custody". If you're caught committing a crime, and if there is a risk that you could jeopardize the investigations (by eliminating evidence, threatening or influencing witnesses, etc.), then you are held in custody until the investigation is concluded.

I don't believe you would find something very different going on in any other democratic country.

Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by jakelazaroff on Saturday August 17, 2024 @06:10PM (#41278406)
In this scenario, are you actually charged with a crime? If not, that’s the literal definition of being jailed without trial.

Many (most?) democratic countries impose strict limits on how long you can be held without being charged. In the US, for example, you can only be held for 72 hours — at which point the police must either charge you or release you.

Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by chbint on Saturday August 17, 2024 @06:32PM (#41278557)
Sure, you're actually charged with a crime. And the kind of limitations you talk about do apply.

Even in situations where you could be held in jail, there's a tendency to let you go unless it is impossible to prevent you from jeopardizing the investigations by any other means. For instance, if the only real worry is that you flee to another country, you might have your passport confiscated rather than being held in jail. Likewise, if the worry is that you can use your influence to make others do stuff for you (stuff that jeopardizes the ongoing investigations, I mean), then you might remain at home, under surveillance, and so on.

Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by edgyquant on Sunday August 18, 2024 @11:09AM (#41282822)
If you’re charged with a crime why is it called preventetive custody?
Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by chbint on Sunday August 18, 2024 @06:00PM (#41285879)
Because there's an ongoing investigation/legal process and you need to prevent something bad from happening. Typical examples are: the risk of you running away to another country, the risk of you jeopardizing the investigation in any way (say, by threatening or harming key witnesses), the risk of you getting killed by accomplices who are on the run, and so on.
Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by jakelazaroff on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @01:42PM (#41302158)
Because you haven’t been convicted? The way it should work is that authorities are only allowed to jail you before conviction under an extremely narrow set of circumstances, such as posing a credible risk to others.
Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by aa_is_op on Saturday August 17, 2024 @06:47PM (#41278645)
Actually you can, when those people are psychopaths encouraging a revolution. It's literally in the law!
Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by aa_is_op on Sunday August 18, 2024 @07:15AM (#41281636)
yeah, downvote me.... like I don't see HN removing any topic about right-wing weirdos

bunch of sensitive cis white males

Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by ath3nd on Sunday August 18, 2024 @08:19AM (#41281899)
Their ego can't handle criticism.

Look at their leaders Trump and Musk, both sensitive men-children with the emotional regulation of a toddler.

Free speech for all, until you say "incel" or question why Trump, a serial philanderer, cheater, and failed businessman, is earning the Evangelical Christians' approval.

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Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by ath3nd on Monday August 19, 2024 @08:15AM (#41290361)
> Are these "sensitive cis while males" in the room with us right now?

Probably not, I can imagine that right now, some of them are on the streets, shouting racist/homophobic slurs. Or simping to yet severely deluded/unhinged take of Elon/Trump on Twitter.

The pun here is that the self proclaimed free speech absolutionist Musk bans people from saying 'cis', but not for 'sieg heil'-ing or even incitements for violence (he himself participates in that).

What's funny here is the double standard and hypocrisy, which deserve our utmost ridicule.

It's the same ridicule one can expect when they claim to be a genius businessman and then buy a company and tank its value and lose half the advertisers. Musk comes to mind here as well.

Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by aa_is_op on Thursday August 22, 2024 @01:37PM (#41322602)
you mad, new account?
Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by immibis on Saturday August 17, 2024 @04:58PM (#41277905)
What if the people being jailed are urgently trying to take away people's rights?

Also, what's supposed to happen to criminals before they are on trial? Normally they get jailed.

Re:X says it is closing operations in Brazil due to judge's ... by knallfrosch on Saturday August 17, 2024 @05:10PM (#41277987)
"All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; the dosage alone makes it so a thing is not a poison."