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Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by 486sx33 on Saturday August 17, 2024 @01:41PM (#41276323)
It’s pretty simple, Chinese companies need to lower Chinese wages, reduce costs, reduce profit expectations, provide lower cost shipping to ports, guarantee the quality of their product once it arrives in North America not pay when it leaves the factory.

We want $1 products again at dollar tree (not $1.25 tree), and better quality for less money.

Otherwise we will just make the stuff in the USA ourselves. One day we will get smart and export more TO China because no one in China trusts the quality of anything made in China

Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by missedthecue on Saturday August 17, 2024 @02:01PM (#41276524)
Personally, I have been coming more around to Chinese manufactured goods. It used to be low-end crap 30 years ago, but they are market leaders in many sectors today and probably even more tomorrow. I recently drove a Chinese (ICE) SUV for the first time and was blown away by the fit, finish, and price.
Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by mensetmanusman on Saturday August 17, 2024 @02:59PM (#41277031)
I think they are referencing various food scandals that rocked trust of Chinese food production in china (esp. for babies).
Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by aquamar2 on Saturday August 17, 2024 @04:13PM (#41277571)
lots of other scandals, not just food

1.) recent 2024 huge scandal regarding oil container trucks swapping out cooking oil with cancerous industry oil without cleaning the tank. the trucks ended up covering up their tank with tarp so people can't see what kind of oil these trucks are carrying.

2.) videos of Chinese EVs just simultaneously combusting in the streets while driven or parked

3.) toxic chemicals found on Temu/Shien clothes, found by South Korea and US

Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by sandspar on Saturday August 17, 2024 @04:21PM (#41277643)
Great, now do scandals in the US. The Chinese internet was very interested in the Ohio train derailment, for example.
Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by leoh on Saturday August 17, 2024 @06:16PM (#41278451)
Links! Sounds interesting
Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by tmnvix on Saturday August 17, 2024 @09:23PM (#41279419)
I remember as a kid hearing people throw around the term "Jap crap". Not for a long time.

China has been going the same way. They are now capable of making very high quality products. Taiwan went down the same route, South Korea too.

In the long term, it's not China that has a problem, it's complacent western manufacturing companies. It's not just a failure to innovate. Some have used their market power to exploit consumers such as the US vehicle manufacturers pushing people to 'trucks' because it served their own interests. They abandoned the small (read sensible) car market. Top selling car recently in Brazil was the BYD Seagull - knocking Ford off.

Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by aquamar2 on Saturday August 17, 2024 @09:57PM (#41279563)
I would be curious which high quality products the western audience thinks China makes. As far as the popular media (reddit, YouTube) is concerned, most are more aware of gutter oil, fake food, toxic clothes, tofu dreg buildings, olympic athletes that take drugs, roads or bridges that collapses, Chinese EVs that burst into flames, list goes on and on. Not to mention the cheap stuff on Amazon and Alibaba that breaks with only a few usages.

DJI might be one of the few products, but most people don't know DJI.

Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by stubish on Saturday August 17, 2024 @11:46PM (#41279993)
I think most of the world is aware that all electronics including things like iPhones are made in China, even when they are not. It is just assumed, except for a few Japanese brands people might assume are actually made in Japan because they were historically.
Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by pohuing on Saturday August 17, 2024 @10:14PM (#41279624)
Idk about the US, but I'd be surprised if people didn't know the Chinese phone manufacturers like Huawei or OnePlus
Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by aquamar2 on Saturday August 17, 2024 @10:29PM (#41279684)
I guess most people wouldn't know about the amount of backdoors that are on Chinese android phones
Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by tmnvix on Sunday August 18, 2024 @10:21AM (#41282561)
There are a lot of Chinese EVs on the roads here in NZ. I can assure you they aren't bursting into flames. For cheap and high quality, check out the BYD Seagull.

Hifi amps were the first high quality (and very reasonably priced) Chinese goods I took note of.

Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by crispy-lel on Sunday August 18, 2024 @10:27AM (#41282588)
“Most are aware of (a bunch of racist myths propagated by Falun Gong and Radio Free Asia) is anyone aware of a single GOOD product?”
Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by crispy-lel on Sunday August 18, 2024 @10:52AM (#41282716)
America has a seriously dated infrastructure system, practically no public transit, a car centric system that is falling apart at the seems as roads and bridges go into disrepair, and China is building infrastructure that Americans don’t even dream of.

But yeah keep believing China is full of “tofu dreg” buildings or whatever bullshit the Feds want you angry about lmao

Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by AtlasBarfed on Saturday August 17, 2024 @04:16PM (#41277596)
The inherent assumption here is "China is a functioning country".

Chairman Xi is a dear leader now. Autocratic controls are coming down with force, and the free market reforms are being rescinded. This is not a competent autocracy, Xi has purged any competence from the central government.

China is also facing a massive financial house of cards and a real estate disaster.

China long term is facing an unprecedented demographic collapse in terms of raw numbers of people. Both Russia, who also face a massive demographic collapse, and China are masking their population losses and the sharp declines in population replacement.

The UN projects 100 million people less by 2050, but I personally think that demographic attrition will actually be in the 200 million range. I also think that China will suffer a massive country-wide food supply disruption either due to Taiwan aggression, economic depression, collective international isolation, or political collapse that will lead to a huge famine in that time span. Finally, the population will age considerably, so even if the "loss" in absolute terms is only 100-150 million people, the collective productivity loss will be shockingly high.

Re:China's manufacturers are going broke by sandspar on Saturday August 17, 2024 @04:35PM (#41277750)
Judging from your post alone, you seem to have started with a conclusion ("China will collapse") and sought out evidence that will support your prejudgment. Also, the statistics you cite are less sophisticated than the statistics you'd find on a rag like CNN, so it's not even apparent whether you've done any serious research.