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Re:Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt's Leaked Stanford Talk by logicchains on Friday August 16, 2024 @04:01AM (#41264203)
>dart lost to typescript on web >angular lost to react >tensorflow looks like currently loosing to pytorch - seems like google got bored and more development is for JAX, Keras wrapper

Google seems to have a deep-seated distrust for programming language theory, as well as a deep-seated distrust for its users. This combination produces awkward software and APIs that ignore modern PLT and take a "Google knows best" approach.

Re:Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt's Leaked Stanford Talk by throwaway123468 on Friday August 16, 2024 @04:21AM (#41264340)
As someone who's been working with them a lot at the moment I'm going to say that the problems that google has are not anything to do with tensorflow or programming language theory and everything to do with the fact that the place is absolutely jam-packed with MBAs and other ex-McKinsey-type professional meeting attendees. This is really apparent if you are reasonably senior in an enterprise and deal with google as a vendor.

Every meeting I attend with them has one or two engineers[1] struggling to breathe because there are at least 6 or 7 sales people, relationship managers or other non-doing non-technical middle-management spreadsheet jockeys stealing all the oxygen in the room.[2]

I can only imagine how terrible it is to work there given that these folks have all the power internally. I've genuinely never dealt with an organization that seems this bad.

[1] who are usually pretty good.

[2] It's an internal joke at my enterprise how every meeting another new person from google shows up introduces themselves as head of some other microscopic facet of the corporate relationship.

Re:Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt's Leaked Stanford Talk by thanksgiving on Friday August 16, 2024 @06:21AM (#41265003)
Something changed recently though because yes there are those MBA types but the engineer in the room used to be not a sales type person. Now (earlier this year, just before IO), even the engineers are becoming more like salespeople in my experience. My guess is there is pressure for everyone to make more money somehow?
Re:Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt's Leaked Stanford Talk by red-iron-pine on Friday August 16, 2024 @09:21AM (#41266196)
this is the end result of all publicly traded companies. eventually you'll hit Sears-level of selling where the CEO just straight up puts departments in conflict with each other until the whole thing just falls apart.
Re:Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt's Leaked Stanford Talk by throw___away on Friday August 16, 2024 @06:39AM (#41265109)
As someone two years into working at Google this resonates hard and has absolutely been my experience as an engineer there too. It's certainly not the culture I was expecting for sure.
Re:Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt's Leaked Stanford Talk by throwaway9155 on Friday August 16, 2024 @12:22PM (#41267777)
Longer-time Googler here. We went blindingly fast from "A few engineers decide to use the most powerful computing cluster in the world to make a meme generator because it would be a cool project" to "Let's have a sync meeting with 15 people, including five managers, to discuss buying a $20,000 test instrument, which will need to be approved by four directors, three of whom are OOO for the next two months."
Re:Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt's Leaked Stanford Talk by redwood on Friday August 16, 2024 @06:18AM (#41264983)
If I had to guess you're probably an Enterprise customer of Google cloud? I'm not sure that's a representative take.. of course there's going to be a lot of sales and relationship manager types because you're a customer of their Enterprise offering.. internally Google's completely different