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Re:Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach by willmadden on Thursday August 15, 2024 @12:11AM (#41253029)
Governments murdered hundreds of millions of their own people during the 20th century, and the 21st is shaping up to tell the 20th to hold its beer.

Any proposal for modern ID needs to have Constitutional protections, checks, and balances or it will eventually devolve into a digital police state.

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Re:Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach by XorNot on Thursday August 15, 2024 @12:58AM (#41253222)
How?

Everyone's like "a government went on and extermination campaign" and for some reason what would've stopped them is the difficulty in identifying who to exterminate?

As though genocides much care about accuracy.

The big secret of Nazi Germany that isn't a secret at all I is that they put a lot more then just Jews in those camps.

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Re:Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach by willmadden on Friday August 16, 2024 @10:22AM (#41266713)
There are key differences between today and the 20th century that you are ignoring. Widely enforced digital ID not only makes it easier for them to identify who to genocide, it forces total compliance with the state, because if you do not fully comply, you risk death, imprisonment, or having your freedom and bank account revoked.
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Re:Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach by XorNot on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @05:49AM (#41298456)
I mean surely then nations with little in the way of digital or personal ID are definitely immune to genocides and do not in fact make up the vast majority of extant genocides committed in recent years or throughout history...[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides

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Re:Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach by DiogenesKynikos on Thursday August 15, 2024 @01:28AM (#41253340)
A lack of national ID cards would not have hindered the Nazis in carrying out mass murder one bit.
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Re:Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach by willmadden on Friday August 16, 2024 @08:12AM (#41265616)
More apropros to the current situation, Henryk Jagoda and the bolsheviks killed/starved between 29 million to 113 million people, depending on estimates. They certainly ID's people, based on ethnicity, religion, political affiliation, and class status.

My point is to not make it easier for them.

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Re:Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach by DiogenesKynikos on Friday August 16, 2024 @07:00PM (#41271140)
Stalin killed around a million people in the purges. Several million people died in a famine in the early 1930s, which was partially due to Stalin's economic policies.

Figures like 29 million (not to mention 113 million, which would hardly leave anyone in the USSR) are simply not credible. I suspect the 29 million figure comes from counting the victims of the Nazi invasion of the USSR, but those deaths are on Germany's balance.

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Re:Inside the "3 billion people" national public data breach by willmadden on Thursday August 22, 2024 @06:34PM (#41324872)
They are credible. That estimate was directly from perplexity.ai with sources. It aligns with what I've come across in my own reading as well.

If you think the holodomor and red terror only killed a couple million people, I've got some beachfront property to sell you in Idaho.

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