my perception of them was they are hyper intelligent hackers, who have morals and clear north. if anybody would do the right thing it's these guys. but that illusion is no more. they are just normal dudes after all for better or worse.

I'm not sure if you're referring to the badge team or the Defcon people, but pretty much every group is just normal people.

That’s because that’s ultimately what happens everywhere. We just paper over it by paying people for their time so they have to listen to you. When you go back to being all volunteer driven the drama increases correspondingly.

>90% of the world is run by dumb unqualified children. It's not worth trying to get everyone up to your supreme standards(you'll get it later at no cost).