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Re:Base 3 Computing Beats Binary by breck on Friday August 09, 2024 @10:39AM (#41202307)
> The current densest NAND uses 16 different positive voltage states to encode 4 bits per cell.

Wait, what?! I did not know this. Is there a link where I can learn more?

Re:Base 3 Computing Beats Binary by jsheard on Friday August 09, 2024 @10:46AM (#41202367)
https://www.anandtech.com/show/5067/understanding-tlc-nand

That's an older article from when TLC (3bit) NAND launched, but the principles are the same for QLC (4bit).

Nowadays SLC and MLC are barely used because TLC is good enough for nearly all purposes.

Re:Base 3 Computing Beats Binary by AlotOfReading on Friday August 09, 2024 @10:58AM (#41202490)
Most "SLC" and "MLC" that's sold is actually TLC/QLC hardware that's only using a subset of the voltage levels available. It ends up being significantly cheaper due to the economies of scale in manufacturing.
Re:Base 3 Computing Beats Binary by jsheard on Friday August 09, 2024 @11:47AM (#41202954)
Yep, if you ever come accross the term "pSLC" (Pseudo-SLC) that means the underlying hardware is capable of running in MLC/TLC/QLC mode, but the controller firmware has been configured to only use the lowest and highest voltage state in each cell.

Some SSD controllers will also reassign regions of flash to different modes on the fly, the drives unused capacity can be used internally as a very fast pSLC write cache, and then as the drive fills up those cells incrementally get switched over to the native TLC/QLC mode.

Re:Base 3 Computing Beats Binary by Iulioh on Friday August 09, 2024 @03:42PM (#41204786)
Does this mean that in some cases damaged QCL "sectors" could be still used as a SCL?
Re:Base 3 Computing Beats Binary by breck on Friday August 09, 2024 @10:55AM (#41202459)
> Nowadays SLC and MLC are barely used because TLC is good enough for nearly all purposes.

This is very interesting. Thank you.

Re:Base 3 Computing Beats Binary by p1mrx on Friday August 09, 2024 @10:43AM (#41202344)
Re:Base 3 Computing Beats Binary by breck on Friday August 09, 2024 @10:53AM (#41202443)
Very interesting. I would have thought the overhead from the memory controller would negate all savings, but I know very little about modern cell design.
Re:Base 3 Computing Beats Binary by marcosdumay on Friday August 09, 2024 @01:04PM (#41203600)
> overhead from the memory controller

If you want to do it in a single step, you need 8 analogic comparators at the output of the memory, and one level of "and" and "or" gates to solve each bit.

Most ADCs use a single comparator + OpAmp and convert the value in 3 steps. But that would make your memory slower.

Either way, the task of converting it does not fall over the controller.