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Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by ivan_gammel on Thursday August 08, 2024 @10:56AM (#41192211)
DB is in major crisis with the workforce with tens of thousands of boomers retiring soon. They don’t have enough people for any redundancy.
Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by user90131313 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @11:19AM (#41192471)
is this specific to DB only? I feel like Germany needs a lot of workforce at German quality but no way they can fill that with any type of foreign immigration. They lowered a lot of immigration requirements to entry because of this. But still it will be not enough. It's a cultural thing and low wages in Germany can't fix it.
Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by Gare on Thursday August 08, 2024 @12:04PM (#41192990)
And now because of German needs eastern and south-easthern EU countries are in even worse position because Germany has hoovered up a decent chunk of skilled younger workforce.

We have started to import unskilled/low skilled laborers from SE Asia en masse to keep the country barely running. But the quality is going downhill yet prices of goods and real estate are soaring.

Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by Rinzler89 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @04:03PM (#41195607)
>and south-easthern EU countries are in even worse position

The economy of Easter Europe has been growing steadily in the last years and skilled immigration tom Germany ahs slowed since the salary/CoL ratio has reduced lately.

Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by trueismywork on Thursday August 08, 2024 @12:48PM (#41193571)
The language is a big problem. They can get quality immigrants, but convincing those quality immigrants to learn German is a big task. A lot of people would rather go to US with all it's uncertainty than stay in Germany due to these issues.
Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by Rinzler89 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @04:06PM (#41195634)
The language isn't the biggest problem. Once you learn the language your problems don't stop. The big problem is most companies in Germany still prefer to exclusively hire locals who went through the German education system and have degrees from established local educational institutions, instead of recognizing foreigners' digress from abroad at similar levels to that of locals.

It's a white collar form of discrimination. Unless you come from a country as 'white' and wealthy as Germany, your degrees and experience is seen as much less valuable despite your language knowledge and your CV will be rejected even if it's technically a fit. Then comes the discrimination you'll face when looking for a place to rent but that's in other countries as well like the Netherlands.

Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by trueismywork on Friday August 09, 2024 @02:55AM (#41199389)
Fair enough..
Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by pyuser583 on Friday August 09, 2024 @06:58PM (#41206053)
Americans don’t place much trust in foreign degrees.

We do value actual experience (as opposed to certification).

I once interviewed a nanny who had been a practicing lawyer in Central America.

I chose to hire someone with no education, but an extra year of nannying.

Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by ivan_gammel on Thursday August 08, 2024 @02:04PM (#41194458)
Well, we just got one million of Ukrainian refugees, half of which is not going to return home according to dome polls, but you are right, the demographics cannot be fixed by immigration alone. I myself currently work on a corporate healthcare project with the goal to reduce sick leaves and reduce health-related early retirements. The parental benefits in Germany are quite generous, but it all breaks into the growing cost of living wall. Everyone understands what’s going on and the urgency, but real solutions are yet to be found.
Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by Rinzler89 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @03:56PM (#41195550)
> but real solutions are yet to be found

"Real solutions" exist, but voters won't want to hear them, so we kick the can down the road until the system collapses by itself naturally.

Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by ivan_gammel on Thursday August 08, 2024 @04:47PM (#41196077)
They are non-solutions if they cannot pass voter approval. But what are you talking about exactly?
Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by Rinzler89 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @04:50PM (#41196100)
>They are non-solutions if they cannot pass voter approval.

Then why don't voters just vote themselves higher salaries and better pension plans and higher retirement ages? D'uh! Who cares about economics when you have votes? Worked well for Greece.

>But what are you talking about exactly?

Reducing public welfare according to realistic economic capacity and sustainability of the national budget, and encourage citizens to rely more on private systems and personal responsibility. See Switzerland.

Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by ivan_gammel on Thursday August 08, 2024 @06:12PM (#41196903)
So, non-solutions, as I said. You refer to a state that is 10 times smaller, has the same demographic problems and over 40% of population with immigration background as a model for Germany, why? Do you seriously believe it can scale to German size? What has it to do with the budget?
Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by Rinzler89 on Friday August 09, 2024 @01:34AM (#41199041)
I proposed the Swiss system as the solution and welfare reductions according to the budget and you're calling it non-solutions. Why are you being dismissive in Bad faith without any arguments?

The German welfare state will slowly collapse by itself on the long term anyway at this rate since the expenses are growing faster than the income and the only way to save it is to reduce it. Why isn't that a solution? Are you saying math is wrong and can be altered by votes?

Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by ivan_gammel on Friday August 09, 2024 @03:11AM (#41199463)
> Why isn't that a solution? Are you saying aritmetic is wrong?

I’m saying that you just proposed random idea that has nothing to do with solving the workforce crisis. Reducing welfare state will not increase birth rate, if anything it will decrease it. Lower taxes will not lead to bigger families, with scarce housing the additional income will be simply redistributed to landlords thus increasing inequality. You propose to treat symptoms, but this treatment will only accelerate death.

Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by Rinzler89 on Friday August 09, 2024 @03:24AM (#41199528)
1) The Swiss way is not random WTF are you on about. It's based on people receiving welfare based on individual contributions, not based on social need, out of bottomless money pit which is anything but bottomless. You can't grow your economy if you use a third of the national budget on welfare instead of stuff like R&D to boost the economy.

2) There's no workforce crisis, it's just a shit pay and too high CoL crisis. Skilled workforce will always come if you pay for it enough to make it worth their effort. See Switzerland and the USA. Germany doesn't want to. They want workers to work for peanuts, pay high taxes and to tolerate crazy housing. Skilled people with options aren't into that.

3) Why are you so focused on birthrates? Uneducated people having more kids randomly as economic cannon fodder will not boost the economy since they might cost more in welfare than they produces as adults. You need to get skilled people any way you can not just throwing random bodies at the problem hoping that fixes the economy.

4) If you insist on being focused on birthrates, then see how countries with the lowest or no welfare have the higher birthrates, and countries with the best welfare have the fewest. Food for thought.

Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by ivan_gammel on Friday August 09, 2024 @04:12AM (#41199795)
> The Swiss way is not random WTF are you on about.

You failed to explain how it will help DB to hire more people. Yes, this is random until you connect the dots.

> Skilled workforce will always come if you pay for it enough to make it worth their effort.

To Germany? No, they will not. I would not, if the money were my primary incentive (yes, I’m THE skilled workforce you are talking about). You are talking about half of current German GDP to make it an incentive. And the whole country must start speaking English as a primary language. And of course there’s global demographic problem: you see, population of our planet will peak soon enough, poor countries will get richer and there will be less and less incentive for educated people to move. For small countries like Switzerland it may be enough for a while. For most of the Europe merit-based systems won’t work - we will have to offer support and education to refugees and unskilled economic migrants. Neocolonial model with immigration-supported economy is simply not sustainable.

> Why are you so focused on birthrates? See above.

> Uneducated people having more kids

Who said “uneducated”? In Germany education rates are very high. The problem is not education itself, but deferred or abandoned family plans because of simpler life opportunities elsewhere.

> Food for thought.

I don’t think you are in position to tell this to anyone regarding this topic. You clearly have not educated yourself enough on this matter.

Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by xg15 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @05:58PM (#41196781)
You're aware that the Swiss railway is nationalized? Since 1901...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Federal_Railways

Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by Rinzler89 on Friday August 09, 2024 @01:34AM (#41199043)
What does that have to do with the welfare state I was talking about?
Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by seethedeaduu on Saturday August 10, 2024 @08:47AM (#41209084)
You are spreading misinfo about what happened in Greece.
Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by sunaookami on Thursday August 08, 2024 @03:13PM (#41195141)
>low wages in Germany

Don't forget the absurdly high social expenditures and taxes. You only keep like 40% of your money and it's on track to get even worse.

Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by user90131313 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @03:27PM (#41195255)
Yes with no real retirement in the future :) All social benefits and retirements will collapse and %100 not sustainable not only for Germany but for so many nations. Many reason exist already and it just takes longer.
Re:More and more German trains are not allowed to enter Swit... by ivan_gammel on Thursday August 08, 2024 @04:51PM (#41196115)
German welfare state is worth paying it, it just needs to become more efficient. I don’t miss lower taxes I enjoyed in other countries, because I see the difference. And, anyway, high taxes hit upper middle class the most, for majority of population it’s not the biggest concern — rent is.