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Re:The Actual Wolf of Wallstreet Cold Call Script by ryandrake on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @02:55PM (#41174029)
A lot of people are gullible and/or socially have trouble saying "no" to people. I think cold calling and door-to-door sales preys on that. I have elderly family members who hate getting telemarketing cold calls, but they are from some time/culture where it's uncomfortable/difficult to directly tell someone "No, I'm not interested. Fuck off." That's often who's falling for these.

If I actually needed what the salesman was selling, I would have bought it already myself. This is true for everything I've ever purchased. The fact that they have to push it on me proves that it's negative-EV and I have no problem just hanging up or closing the door. I guess not everyone finds this easy.

Re:The Actual Wolf of Wallstreet Cold Call Script by immibis on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @04:05PM (#41174749)
> If I actually needed what the salesman was selling, I would have bought it already myself.

This assumes it's a frictionless commodity. I want a pizza, I buy a pizza. I'm not interested in cold calls selling me pizza because if I wanted one, I would've already gone to the pizza shop down the road.

However, not everything is like this. Jobs, for example, are the opposite extreme. If someone cold-calls me asking me a job interview, well, this actually happened (not via a phone call) and led to me moving halfway around the world and having to learn a second language. Did I get scammed? Ich denke nicht.

In the realm of actual products, there are might be things you think about buying for a long time, and then eventually you see a good deal and buy it. Cold calls may help you find a good deal (I doubt it now - but back in the era when they weren't just spam) and then you may buy it.

There's also just advertising, especially for B2B where everything is more opaque. I have no idea where to get advanced Ethernet switch ASICs ("merchant silicon" as they call it) and you can't even Google it because the information isn't public. If I was a networking company and some switch ASIC company called me to tell me they make switch ASICs and here's our product selection guide, that would actually be welcome information. (I'm not one, but let's imagine I was.)

Re:The Actual Wolf of Wallstreet Cold Call Script by 6510 on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @03:25PM (#41174317)
This is actually good. "Thanks for your time, the BRAWNDO CORPORATION won't call you again."

If you manage to end it in 3-8 seconds they can do 360 such calls in an hour. If the guy costs $12 per hour that works out to little over 3 cent.

And then, 20 months later a % of the "fuck off, leave me alone" guys need the product and remember how polite the call was. These usually do a good bit of research. They clearly call for information. If the price is good and they live 3 blocks away there are good odds they let you mow their lawn.

Re:The Actual Wolf of Wallstreet Cold Call Script by somat on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @04:47PM (#41175170)
Too true, Many people, including myself, tend to say "ha, I have never bought any thing based on an ad or salesman" But often that is not the point, the point is to get it in your head that the product exists. and when you do need one, when faced with several indistinguishable items, you go for the one that feels familiar, the one that was infiltrated into your head months ago.

There is nothing super wrong with this, I mean, sales is necessary evil of doing business. necessary, because the whole point is to sell the thing, and evil, because you are coercing someone to do something they otherwise would not have done. But I think there is a healthy ratio here, and I try to make a point(often failing for the reason in the previous paragraph) to avoid products that lean too heavily on the unhealthy side of that ratio. those companies that believe sales is more important than the product.

Re:The Actual Wolf of Wallstreet Cold Call Script by 6510 on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @05:53PM (#41175802)
If there are very few potential customers you just ask if it is at all possible to meet them. Same if you have only a few phone numbers from people who meet some set of requirements.

If there are millions of prospects and you cant filter by anything the point is to figure out that they don't need or want your product. Do it fast and politely.

Or not even that, the actual goal is to put in the calls without the negative psychological effect of mass rejection.

Arguably, you can start calling before writing the business plan when you only have a half finished idea. If you find just one prospect who says your product would be a wonderful thing have them be more specific. Like that it is much easier to stay motivated. Rejection is much harder if you are deeply invested, wrote the plan, wrote the code, found investors, hired employees.

While cold calling is heavily associated with shit products that doesn't mean your product is shit the moment you pick up the phone. Or maybe it is and you need to be told what is wrong with it repeatedly. You need to be talking with people who've made widgets for decades, they know their stuff.

Who knows, maybe you don't even need an idea. If you just call 1000 people in the funeral sector they can tell you what software they need. Then try weddings, laundromats, plumbers etc

Ask the dumb questions, what would be the right time to call someone in the $sectorName sector? What is their software budget? What are the repetitive administrative tasks? Is the sector patient and polite or do they tell you to fuck off and hang up?

Re:The Actual Wolf of Wallstreet Cold Call Script by Eridrus on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @04:30PM (#41174986)
This assumes that you know everything there is to know about the world.

Customers often do not know that products or even product categories exist and need to be informed about them.

Re:The Actual Wolf of Wallstreet Cold Call Script by throwway120385 on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @04:47PM (#41175168)
This idea that there is a solution to every problem if you only knew about it is a hallmark of these things. A lot of products are solutions looking for a problem, and they work very hard to make you think you'll have a problem if you don't buy the product.

As an example, a pest control company canvassed one of my friends' cul-de-sacs and essentially threatened to send all the pests into his house by poisoning them and repelling them from all the neighbors. If you have a pest problem exclusion is usually cheaper and better than poison or repellent. My wife paid for trapping and control on her house for years and then I went around over the course of a couple of weeks and closed the gaps in her siding that were added by telecommunications companies like Verizon and AT&T and Comcast over the years. Mysteriously the pest problem went away after that.

So it's not always the case that the product being advertised is a net positive. Often it's net neutral or net negative. But the advertiser sure wants you to do it anyway.

Re:The Actual Wolf of Wallstreet Cold Call Script by Eridrus on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @06:53PM (#41176324)
Not all products and services are good, yes. But you don't spring forth from the womb knowing about all the good ones either.
Re:The Actual Wolf of Wallstreet Cold Call Script by vundercind on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @05:49PM (#41175747)
I know ad and marketing folks tell themselves this to sleep at night, but it’s such a small factor in actual marketing and advertising that happens that it’s negligible.
Re:The Actual Wolf of Wallstreet Cold Call Script by tsimionescu on Wednesday August 07, 2024 @02:53AM (#41178851)
That's what word of mouth is for. Ads and cold calls are not reliable sources of information, they are universally lies with some rare smidgen of truth sometimes hidden inside.
Re:The Actual Wolf of Wallstreet Cold Call Script by Eridrus on Wednesday August 07, 2024 @11:12PM (#41187762)
Ah yes, when I get together with my homies, I love to talk about B2B SaaS products.
Re:The Actual Wolf of Wallstreet Cold Call Script by dghughes on Wednesday August 07, 2024 @09:12AM (#41181097)
Elderly who are a prime market for a reason cash from retirement or life insurance and possible dementia.

I don't know how many times I have told my own mother not to pick up the phone. At best she knows at worst she says she's knows it's a scam but "just wants to see who it is". At least she knows not to press 1 although "why what would it do?" often comes up. She has no credit card or Internet so VISA and Amazon scams are obviously fake. Of the calls to her land line phone nearly 100% are scam calls.

Even my aunt who knows better called to ask my mother why [large company] needed her to get gift cards and not tell the police. The pressure of authority is strong for older people they can't fathom someone would dare impersonate police.

Don't fall for your elderly relatives behaviour if they seems smart and not in any way gullible they still may be. It's shocking how easily some people are fooled even ones you think would never fall for such scams.