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Re:Airlines Are Running Out of Flight Numbers, and They Don'... by delta_p_delta_x on Monday August 05, 2024 @10:42AM (#41161814)
> I'm certain each flight has its own completely unique ID buried somewhere in a database

There is. It's called the Globally Unique Flight Identifier (GUFI), and it's essentially a UUIDv4[1].

[1]: https://docs.fixm.aero/#/general-guidance/flight_identificat...

Re:Airlines Are Running Out of Flight Numbers, and They Don'... by rappatic on Monday August 05, 2024 @01:16PM (#41163272)
This line made me chuckle:

> The `Aircraft Identification` is NOT an identifier of an aircraft. It is an identifier of a flight.

Re:Airlines Are Running Out of Flight Numbers, and They Don'... by rightbyte on Monday August 05, 2024 @09:23PM (#41167078)
Naming things are hard you know ...
Re:Airlines Are Running Out of Flight Numbers, and They Don'... by tivert on Monday August 05, 2024 @04:37PM (#41165356)
>> I'm certain each flight has its own completely unique ID buried somewhere in a database

> There is. It's called the Globally Unique Flight Identifier (GUFI), and it's essentially a UUIDv4[1].

Great, step one cleared.

Now have all the legacy systems everywhere that use 4-digit flight numbers been updated or replaced?

Re:Airlines Are Running Out of Flight Numbers, and They Don'... by delta_p_delta_x on Monday August 05, 2024 @07:56PM (#41166694)
My understanding is that air traffic control is extremely computerised even though direct control is still done over analogue VHF voice radio. The flight numbers are essentially only human-facing (both passenger flight numbers, and ATC callsigns). When flights are handed off between different stations or different flight information regions, their computer representations must conform to the Flight Information Exchange Model (that's the FIXM in the website I linked above).

It's a very top-down initiative by ICAO and all the large aviation authorities—quite unlike the rest of the software development industry.

Frankly speaking ATC is the only thing that really matters in the context of flight safety—ticketing, terminal operations, etc don't (and don't need to) deal with FIXM.

Re:Airlines Are Running Out of Flight Numbers, and They Don'... by taneliv on Monday August 05, 2024 @05:46PM (#41165929)
Like the mechanical displays at various airports across the world pictured in the article?

Overall seems like a project of huge size and somewhat unknown reach. Not my domain, but I would imagine all kinds of ground support systems to have the four letter flight numbers baked deep into their assumptions. And not only direct support like fuel, cleaning, work shift scheduling, but also logistics systems for cargo, military systems, myriad of ticketing systems etc.

Re:Airlines Are Running Out of Flight Numbers, and They Don'... by Aeolun on Monday August 05, 2024 @07:53PM (#41166672)
So we’re already too late by about 20 years to fix the issue properly.

Undoubtedly we’ll push the issue forward for another 10 years before realizing that the next best time to start was today :/

Re:Airlines Are Running Out of Flight Numbers, and They Don'... by trueismywork on Monday August 05, 2024 @05:39PM (#41165862)
4-digit flight numbers are for humans, not computers
Re:Airlines Are Running Out of Flight Numbers, and They Don'... by zeeZ on Monday August 05, 2024 @05:50PM (#41165955)
But humans, who interface with computers, are known to cause trouble.
Re:Airlines Are Running Out of Flight Numbers, and They Don'... by andrewstuart2 on Monday August 05, 2024 @05:46PM (#41165923)
Humans write the code that makes those computers do things, though. And humans don't always read the standards, docs, or manuals before doing so.
Re:Airlines Are Running Out of Flight Numbers, and They Don'... by andrewstuart2 on Monday August 05, 2024 @05:44PM (#41165915)
Please tell me it's pronounced "goofy."
Re:Airlines Are Running Out of Flight Numbers, and They Don'... by delta_p_delta_x on Monday August 05, 2024 @07:47PM (#41166632)
It actually is. I interned at a civil aviation authority where I had to implement a GUFI generator, and they all pronounced it 'goofy'.