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Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by ProllyInfamous on Thursday August 01, 2024 @12:11PM (#41130701)
Myself a med-school-dropout, I've found myself several times telling doctors how I really feel: "You aren't paid enough for the sacrifices you made just to be able to help people that probably aren't going to listen to your advice, anyways."

Thank you for your sacrifices, including to the oncoming ML "clinicians."

Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by pnut on Thursday August 01, 2024 @01:17PM (#41131350)
Come on, doctors are some of the most highly compensated wage earners.

Every working stiff at all income levels sacrifices disproportionately to their income, and if I were a high school teacher, I'd belly laugh at this doctor pity party.

Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by SkyPuncher on Thursday August 01, 2024 @02:25PM (#41132005)
Sure, but it's extremely hard to overcome the hole that medical school and residency puts you into. 4 years of tuition, then 4 years of pitiful wages is a long time. The top, most competitive fields have astronomical wages, but most doctors salary is closer to that of an engineer.

Anecdotally, I'm a software engineer. My wife is a physician. We'll be in our 50's before my wife's career out earns mine. That financial hole of med school and residency is so deep and the salaries on the other side just aren't _that_ much better than other paths. I didn't even pursue FAANG level salaries, either.

That being said, job security and availability is far, far better for my wife. We can basically live anywhere we want and she can find a job.

Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by treis on Thursday August 01, 2024 @08:21PM (#41135016)
Essentially nobody but doctors and those profiting off exploiting them wants that system.
Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by SkyPuncher on Thursday August 01, 2024 @09:10PM (#41135247)
Honestly, I don't think most doctors want that system either.
Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by eppp on Thursday August 01, 2024 @01:30PM (#41131455)
Some doctors*

The front line primary care doctors and nurse practitioners dont make as much as IT people quite often.

Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by whimsicalism on Thursday August 01, 2024 @01:58PM (#41131739)
Lets not lump in nurse practitioners. I'm absolutely in favor of giving more responsibilities to NPs and paying them more than they currently are.

Data on doctor salaries is very difficult to come by publicly, however H1B salaries indicate the average pay for H1B PCPs is $200k [0]. These are the lowest paid physicians. If you look at the data, many many physicians are making much more than that - with many specialities averaging $300k+. Generally H1B workers make less than comparable native-born (even though that's illegal) so we should view this as a lower-bound.

That puts hourly pay for average PCPs lower than the top SWEs, but comparing average with average or specialty with average and you're already quickly outpacing large majority of SWEs.

[0]: https://h1bdata.info/highestpaidjob.php

Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by stubish on Thursday August 01, 2024 @10:49PM (#41135692)
Who is paying the malpractice etc. insurance for these doctors? Those salaries may effectively be a lot lower.
Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by whimsicalism on Friday August 02, 2024 @11:12AM (#41139469)
These are h1b hired doctors, so almost certainly for a system laying their own malpractice.
Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by FuriouslyAdrift on Friday August 02, 2024 @11:28AM (#41139655)
Malpractice for a GP is around $7500/yr...

An OB/GYN or anesthesiologist is closer to $200k+

Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by ProllyInfamous on Friday August 02, 2024 @09:35AM (#41138708)
My local Southern US county pays it's first-year PCP's $120,000, is a MCOL-area.

Of course, there is a typical shortage of doctors prying for this coveted physicianhood /s

Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by whimsicalism on Friday August 02, 2024 @11:13AM (#41139484)
So clearly that is the lowest of the low, not sure why we are comparing the lowest rather than the averages to get a sense of pay.
Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by Sohcahtoa82 on Thursday August 01, 2024 @01:35PM (#41131501)
From what I understand, the primary care physicians that work for a large medical company don't make much, but ones that run their own practice can make double or even triple, but then they take on enormous risk.
Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by bornfreddy on Thursday August 01, 2024 @02:10PM (#41131867)
Some IT people*
Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by ben_w on Thursday August 01, 2024 @04:03PM (#41133003)
> Come on, doctors are some of the most highly compensated wage earners.

You mean it's not us tech workers? :P

Seriously though, I've seen the pay scales in some countries, they're nice and all, but they come with many extra years of training (expensive plus limited income while you do that), plus shift work and overtime that is bad for everyone (staff and patients) and which shouldn't be necessary — and wouldn't be necessary, if most nations all hired about twice as many of them… but that would require us to also train twice as many and politicians who do that get the budget shortfall today while their successors (possibly in other countries) get the reward for the benefit of their being more trained doctors and nurses.

I'd pay them the same for less hours. Mandatory less hours — go home and sleep, let someone else tend to this patient while you rest.

Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by whimsicalism on Thursday August 01, 2024 @02:14PM (#41131920)
Doctors have such high social standing that you're downvoted for saying the obvious
Re:Fully-automatic robot dentist performs first human procedure by ProllyInfamous on Thursday August 01, 2024 @10:10PM (#41135543)
60% of my US med class were idiots.

I have no clue if that's improved (with another decade of training, since I dropped out), but an even larger majority are miserable.