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Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by silvestrov on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @01:07PM (#41111536)
A good example is looking at Apple's old campus:

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3321579,-122.0298439,567m/da...

I get the total area to be 131351 m2 and the area inside the "Infinite loop" road to be 58029 m2, i.e. only 44% of the total area.

So cars waste half of the area. https://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-area-calculat...

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by Workaccount2 on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @01:50PM (#41112091)
Forget the Apple campus

Just look at Houston: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7561945,-95.3646105,681m/dat...

Half the city is parking

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by konschubert on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @02:01PM (#41112218)
What I absolutely don't understand: Why are there no parking garages, why only surface parking lots? Isn't that prime real estate?

Why is there no incentive to stack the cars can stack in 10 layers on one lot instead of taking up 10 lots with surface parking?

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by rd on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @02:04PM (#41112252)
Can’t say for certain but intuitive guess is it’s dirt (literally dirt in some cases) cheap to do a ground level parking slot?

Slap some paint on the ground, put up a booth and a sign, and you’re good?

Whereas an elevated garage is probably a years-long project?

I also think most of these parking lots are probably owned by small time chumps, not consolidated mega parking companies.

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by throwway120385 on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @02:10PM (#41112314)
Yeah people I know in the parking industry have a saying that if you want to print money build a parking lot or garage. They're stupidly easy and result in tons of recurring revenue if they're in a good location. Even the little lots can produce thousands per month of revenue.
Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by konschubert on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @02:10PM (#41112308)
How come no investors are buying that real estate and building skyscrapers or parking garages?

Is there really no demand for new downtown developments?

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by throwway120385 on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @02:11PM (#41112329)
They've already done so. They're just waiting for the economics to make sense before they convert the land. The parking lot is just how they're paying taxes and the mortgage on the land.
Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by konschubert on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @03:02PM (#41112935)
Land Value Tax would fix this.

But even without, it’s crazy that you can afford the mortgage with the parking fees.

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by AlchemistCamp on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @03:20PM (#41113126)
I'm definitely on board with a land-value tax. It would be a significant boon to productivity, economic mobility and even growth.
Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by vel0city on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @05:56PM (#41114519)
Say you've got a lot with like 420 spaces a few blocks away from Minute Maid Field in Houston. You charge $25 for parking during the event and you're guaranteed to fill it up every game. 81 home baseball games a season. That's $850k in revenue a year, practically guaranteed, and just for the baseball games. How many other events will they host there?

Let's say on an average workday your lot is like 60% full. You charge like $8/day for normal workdays or something. 252 spaces * 8/day ~$10k/wk. Lets say 50 of these normal weeks in a year, that's $504k in parking for the normal workdays.

Normal workday and baseball games gives you ~$1.35M in revenue for something you need to repave every decade and paint every couple of years.

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by consteval on Thursday August 01, 2024 @03:20PM (#41132585)
Maybe zoning.

In arglinton, Texas, often called one of the least walkable cities on Earth, there's a requirement that each building has a parking lot proportional to it's occupancy. So if you build a 200 person building, you need a parking lot to handle 200 people. I can't remember the exact ratio, I doubt it was 1:1 like that.

So the parking lots are there by force, not convenience or cost.

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by stonogo on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @02:22PM (#41112450)
This is why: https://www.houstontx.gov/planning/DevelopRegs/docs_pdfs/par...

Developers effectively can't 'outsource' parking. If you want to build anything, you get to build parking. For a long time, building a parking garage cost more than just buying a bigger plot to develop. Now that's not the case, but the rules haven't changed, so it would take a developer with deep pockets to build a parking garage, and it would have to be associated with a massive development project.

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by vel0city on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @05:48PM (#41114462)
> Why are there no parking garages

As someone who lived in Houston for a long time, there are lots of parking garages.

https://downtownhouston.org/navigate/parking/garages

But there are still lots of incentives to have a surface level parking lot. $$ per spot, it is stupid cheap for a surface lot in construction costs. Why pay $25 to park in a garage for the day when the surface lot around the corner costs $5?

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by AlchemistCamp on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @03:18PM (#41113104)
Given that Apple is the most successful company in the world perhaps it's not a waste and there's something in your model that doesn't capture reality.

Along a similar vein, I'd be interested in the correlation between car use and economic growth is between similarly developed territories is. I know that the US and EU were roughly equal in economic size when I was in school and now it's more like a 3:2 ratio. China has also aggressively adopted cars over the past 3 decades while passing many other countries in per capita GDP.

Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by jessekv on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @05:44PM (#41114438)
What portion of the GDP does the vehicle manufacturing industry account for?
Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by AlchemistCamp on Wednesday July 31, 2024 @07:54AM (#41118373)
A relatively low portion in the US the past 25 years and almost none in China until this decade.
Re:If We Want a Shift to Walking, We Need to Prioritize Dignity by btgeekboy on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @02:36PM (#41112637)
Another way to think about it is cars allow people who live further from the campus along routes not served by transit (either at all or in a timely and convenient manner) to still work for the company. A multi-story parking structure would also have reduced the amount of surface area dedicated to vehicles.