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Re:OpenResearch Unconditional Cash Study's first findings av... by s1artibartfast on Monday July 22, 2024 @09:12PM (#41041558)
Everyone making less than 138% of the federal poverty level (FPL) qualifies for free healthcare. I dont think most people would say that the USA has universal healthcare.

The same is true here. If you make $0, you get $12K UBI. If you make $24K, you get $0 UBI. Is that universal?

Re:OpenResearch Unconditional Cash Study's first findings av... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @01:02AM (#41042662)
Assuming there's no other income tax on the first $24K you make, it's a bit aggressive but it's still a valid form of UBI and an improvement on the status quo.
Re:OpenResearch Unconditional Cash Study's first findings av... by jewayne on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @11:05AM (#41046729)
You're confusing Universal Income with Guaranteed Income.

And again, Guaranteed Income is just another form of "benefits earmarked for the politically powerless."

Re:OpenResearch Unconditional Cash Study's first findings av... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @12:26PM (#41047866)
This particular method is mathematically equivalent to both of them. There's no actual difference between "You get full UBI and you pay income tax on other income" and "You get X cents less UBI per dollar of other income".

The system could be as simple as "UBI, also income tax is 50%, end of description".

Re:OpenResearch Unconditional Cash Study's first findings av... by jewayne on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @02:29PM (#41049242)
The question isn't about mathematics, it's about psychology and politics.

In the second scenario, when do I get/spend my UBI money?

Re:OpenResearch Unconditional Cash Study's first findings av... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @03:14PM (#41049678)
> The question isn't about mathematics, it's about psychology and politics.

That's valid, but when someone's roughly describing a plan I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and worry about whether it can be framed the correct way rather than whether they framed it right.

> In the second scenario, when do I get/spend my UBI money?

I don't know, every two weeks? So it's the difference between a $460 UBI check and a $400 paycheck, versus a $60 UBI check and an $800 paycheck.