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Re:Microsoft Blames European Commission for Major Worldwide ... by codeulike on Monday July 22, 2024 @03:56PM (#41039094)
Microsoft didn't blame the European Commission for the outage (thats a ridiculous headline), they said they can't close off the Kernel due to agreements made with the European Commission. The original soruce macrumors is quoting is thie WSJ article, see last paragraph: https://archive.is/FLNKH

A Microsoft spokesman said it cannot legally wall off its operating system in the same way Apple does because of an understanding it reached with the European Commission following a complaint. In 2009, Microsoft agreed it would give makers of security software the same level of access to Windows that Microsoft gets.

Re:Microsoft Blames European Commission for Major Worldwide ... by Xylakant on Monday July 22, 2024 @03:59PM (#41039126)
They absolutely could close of the kernel - it's just that Defender as an antivirus product would have to use the same APIs. Apple doesn't offer a defender-like product, so the move was easier for them.
Re:Microsoft Blames European Commission for Major Worldwide ... by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday July 22, 2024 @04:40PM (#41039582)
> Apple doesn't offer a defender-like product, so the move was easier for them.

Isn't that XProtect?

Re:Microsoft Blames European Commission for Major Worldwide ... by throwaway4pp24 on Monday July 22, 2024 @04:48PM (#41039648)
How do they close the kernel and provide API at the same time?
Re:Microsoft Blames European Commission for Major Worldwide ... by geor9e on Monday July 22, 2024 @05:01PM (#41039770)
Not a kernel-level API - they'd move Defender to an API without kernel-level access. On Mac their API is called Endpoint Security Framework which lets antivirus monitor system calls without giving it kernel-level access. And System Integrity Protection is how they close the kernel. Microsoft would love to do the same, but also want their own Defender to have kernel-level access. The EU says they have to give third-party antivirus the same access they give their own antivirus, for anti-trust reasons. Personally I disagree with the EU here.
Re:Microsoft Blames European Commission for Major Worldwide ... by isodev on Monday July 22, 2024 @04:19PM (#41039365)
There is nothing technically stopping Microsoft from addressing this.

Fixing one’s kernel extensions does not violate anticompetitive laws. It does however make for click bait headlines if you as a corp choose to troll everyone affected by CrowdStrike instead of offering mitigations.

Re:Microsoft Blames European Commission for Major Worldwide ... by notepad0x90 on Monday July 22, 2024 @04:25PM (#41039436)
I find it unironic how for decades the tech community complained about the apple walled garden and how Microsoft isn't open about kernel internals and how it's hard to get things done with it compared to Linux which is open source. Now everyone is an EDR expert and they think Microsoft should be more like apple and less like Linux.

I think people don't know that Microsoft also has a Crowdstrike Falcon competitor that isn't too bad at all. While it would be funny to call out the hypocrisy in the tech world, I think the DoJ would indeed sue Microsoft unless it extracted it's own EDR and had it use the same API's it is asking other companies to use. Furthermore, there is something called the anti-malware scanner interface (AMSI) which Falcon and other EDRs indeed use and there is an ETW api that allows them to do additional monitoring as well. But that just isn't enough to counter many real world threats. In effect, the EDR must be like a rootkit to get complete system visibility and be able to stop any and all threats, kernel or userspace. Also, a user space process can prevent booting or freeze systems up.

Re:Microsoft Blames European Commission for Major Worldwide ... by freeopinion on Monday July 22, 2024 @04:55PM (#41039710)
> Now everyone is an EDR expert and they think Microsoft should be more like apple and less like Linux

You are responding to a statement from Microsoft that compares its own behavior to that of Apple. Why do you characterize it as everyone else thinking Microsoft should be more like Apple?

Re:Microsoft Blames European Commission for Major Worldwide ... by notepad0x90 on Monday July 22, 2024 @09:31PM (#41041675)
Because Microsoft is responding to "everyone" who are asking it why it is allowing EDR makers to write drivers. Win10+ only load signed drivers, so every driver is approved by Microsoft. I'm criticizing the people and journalists that are asking this question. I'm sure congress will grill Microsoft's CEO as well and ask this same question again.
Re:Microsoft Blames European Commission for Major Worldwide ... by Rinzler89 on Monday July 22, 2024 @04:53PM (#41039693)
> think people don't know that Microsoft also has a Crowdstrike Falcon competitor that isn't too bad at all.

Which one? Defender isn't a CS competitor.

Re:Microsoft Blames European Commission for Major Worldwide ... by jaderobbins1 on Monday July 22, 2024 @06:30PM (#41040537)
There are multiple products called "Defender", I believe "Microsoft Defender for Endpoint" (which is an enterprise product, not the consumer Defender AV) would be considered the same.

I _think_ at least, the enterprise software space is confusing as hell :)

Re:Microsoft Blames European Commission for Major Worldwide ... by notepad0x90 on Monday July 22, 2024 @09:29PM (#41041654)
the enterprise version, which used to be caused defender advanced threat protection (they keep renaming it) is a direct competitor to Falcon.