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Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by arrosenberg on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:36PM (#41028388)
There was also the comprehensive, bipartisan immigration reform bill that Trump tanked because it would make other people look good.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by hnthrowaway6543 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:52PM (#41028496)
Trump has not been in office since January 2021; how could he have tanked that bill?

Using Trump as an excuse for not passing any bills on immigration, LGBT rights, abortion, etc when he didn't hold any political position for 4 years is the very definition of ineffective leadership.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by Sabinus on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:03PM (#41028615)
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-angry-t...

"Senior Senate Republicans are furious that Donald Trump may have killed an emerging bipartisan deal over the southern border, depriving them of a key legislative achievement on a pressing national priority and offering a preview of what’s to come with Trump as their likely presidential nominee.

In recent weeks, Trump has been lobbying Republicans both in private conversations and in public statements on social media to oppose the border compromise being delicately hashed out in the Senate, according to GOP sources familiar with the conversations – in part because he wants to campaign on the issue this November and doesn’t want President Joe Biden to score a victory in an area where he is politically vulnerable."

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by hnthrowaway6543 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:14PM (#41028714)
Assuming that CNN article quoting anonymous sources is true, you're basically just making the argument that Trump is an incredibly effective leader capable of controlling his party's agenda even when he's not in charge of it, while Biden is such an inept leader that he can't even get things done when he has the highest ranking political position in the Western world.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by kid64 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @07:09PM (#41029174)
"Destructive" is probably a more useful characterization than "effective". But I get it.. must always praise dear leader.

I'm just curious.. in your mind, what was the objective of storming the beach at Normandy? What do you think Americans were fighting to preserve?

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by kelipso on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:34PM (#41028894)
Trump was the last GOP President and clear winner of the last primary, so of course he is the leader of the party and in charge of it.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by snake42 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:41PM (#41028944)
Your replies are moving the goalposts.

That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by johnnyanmac on Sunday July 21, 2024 @08:26PM (#41029709)
>you're basically just making the argument that Trump is an incredibly effective leader capable of controlling his party's agenda even when he's not in charge of it

to my understanding, he wasn't afraid of splitting the vote and was vocal about it as far back as 2022. And apparently the R's that publicly slammed him did not want to call that bluff.

So... maybe?

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by newfriend on Monday July 22, 2024 @07:41PM (#41040968)
Are we calling bills endorsed by a single Republican "bipartisan" now?

Also this so-called immigration bill contained billions for Ukraine, Israel, etc. That along with the fact that most of the bill sought only to facilitate getting more migrants through the system more quickly, and of course the bill was DOA. Saying it was Trump who killed it is just conjecture, and reactions from Senate and House Republicans indicates there was zero support for the bill as written.

Interestingly the House passed an immigration bill in 2023 that the Senate never voted on. Along with the removal of all of Trump's border-related executive orders, it indicates that Democrats are not seriously interested in border security.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by arrosenberg on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @11:10AM (#41046792)
> Saying it was Trump who killed it is just conjecture

It all played out in public, just like everything with Trump. There is no need to lie shamelessly on HN, it won’t get you anything.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by newfriend on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @12:31PM (#41047932)
By "in public", you mean reported on CNN etc as "people familiar with the situation".

I'd rather listen to the thoughts of the Speaker directly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii0tl8d5G3g

There is no chance Republicans would vote for that bill, they don't need Trump to persuade them.