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Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by wilg on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:05PM (#41028112)
> But he did campaign on a single term.

He did not really do this.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by woodruffw on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:10PM (#41028136)
A single term was a prominent part of the discussion around his electability[1]. I'm not sure whether he campaigned on it per se, but it was certainly something that I (and other people I know) factored into my vote in 2020.

[1]: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-0...

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by scoofy on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:25PM (#41028809)
His campaign HEAVILY implied this, but no, he never said it.

It’s definitely one of those thing that make people like me, who want good faith honesty in politics angry, because “he didn’t actually say it” politics is why gotcha politics exists.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by smsm42 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @07:05PM (#41029138)
I remember that too, it was never said explicitly but heavily implied like "he'll return things to normal and then pass the torch to the younger generation" and such comments. I remember being slightly surprised by it because the traditional way was to renominate the sitting president, but a lot of things weren't as they used to in 2020.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by _heimdall on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:54PM (#41029055)
I never could find a direct quote of Biden himself saying he would be a single term president, but his campaign team said it regularly in public interviews.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Monday July 22, 2024 @01:32AM (#41031180)
In 2020, when they asked him if he'd run for reelection, he said "I view myself as a transitional president," which is a pretty fucking weird answer if he were planning to run again.

Everyone expected him to drop out earlier, but I think the reason he stayed in as long as he did was to take all the bullets for Kamala until he felt confident all the other potential challengers would get behind her.

What he didn't want to do was drop out early, let Kamala get battered and bloodied by her own party nomination process, win the nomination, then lose to Trump just because she'd been dragged through the mud in the media for months.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by _heimdall on Monday July 22, 2024 @09:50AM (#41034356)
I'm not quite sold on it having been a plan to protect Harris and give her the spot without a primary. That strategy would take a ton of coordinstion, but more importantly it throws a ridiculous amount of uncertainty intoix that I think any political party would be too afraid of.

The more simple explanation, in my opinion, is that Biden is exactly what some had thought for over a year now - a person getting older and starting to run into cognitive and physical decline. I've watched multiple family members go through this, and the picture of a person in the middle of decline lying to themselves about their new reality and stubbornly refusing to accept it fits perfectly well.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by alex_young on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:11PM (#41028155)

  "Look, I view myself as a bridge, not as anything else," Biden said. "There's an entire generation of leaders you saw stand behind me. They are the future of this country."


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/09/politics/joe-biden-bridge...
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by trhway on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:55PM (#41028529)
Biden was a stop-gap measure as Democrats didn't risk to put any new emerging leader against Trump. I think it was a big mistake - basically "coronation" of Biden back then replaced the normal, though painful, democratic process of producing a new Democrats leader. And as a result, it seems to me that Biden like a huge tree in the forest only exacerbated the issue by not letting new leadership to grow in the last 4 years. Of course he didn't do it intentionally, he (and his entourage) just naturally sucked up all the air and nothing grew in his shadow. Now, with the "anointment" of Harris, Democrats are repeating that mistake for the 3rd time - ie. Hillary, Biden, Harris - while on the other side we have a "Viking" leader who bloody slaughtered and ate all the competitors who were in that Republican jar (compare that to "Biden campaign chair to staff: Time to elevate Kamala Harris" - leaders aren't elevated by some bureaucrats, leaders arise and elevate themselves)

(To clarify my political position, i'm pro-Democrat and think Biden wasn't a bad president, though i think he completely dropped the ball on the foreign policy - while Ukraine and Israel are more prominent, they cause multipage flamewars, so instead i'd point to Houthis where i think majority can agree with me that what Houtis do in Red Sea is just plain war crimes (intentional attacks on civilian shipping) and that should have been immediately nipped in the bud by the overwhelming US and allies' force in the region - if anything, protection of civilian shipping is one of the most legitimate major uses of the Navy, and i'd say it is a direct duty of the president to put it to such a use when the need arises)

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by pdonis on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:58PM (#41029089)
> protection of civilian shipping is one of the most legitimate major uses of the Navy

As I understand it this was the position of the US Founders as well (and it is also mine).

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by gumby on Sunday July 21, 2024 @07:16PM (#41029239)
Well, Jefferson anyway (“…to the shores of Tripoli…”)
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by pdonis on Sunday July 21, 2024 @08:42PM (#41029820)
He was the Founder who ended up being President when the US had both the motivation (which had been there for some time) and the naval resources (which had only just been coming online) to do something about it--but I don't think he was the only Founder who had that general view about the Navy.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by fortran77 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @07:35PM (#41029387)
You get downvoted here by the pro-rape, pro-terror crowd for saying “Houthis shouldn’t be firing at ships.” Hacker News is a disgusting place.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by shortrounddev2 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:03PM (#41028608)
> basically "coronation" of Biden back then replaced the normal, though painful, democratic process of producing a new Democrats leader

There was a whole primary with like 12 other candidates and Biden won though. Bernie, Warren, Andrew Yang all had their shot, some did pretty well, but ultimately the democratic base voted for Biden

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by SV_BubbleTime on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:14PM (#41028719)
> There was a whole primary with like 12 other candidates and Biden won though.

Does no one remember what actually happened?

All the other candidates except Warren made back room deals and dropped out around Iowa, suddenly and for no reason. Leaving Biden as the obvious selection, and Warren there to siphon off Bernie support to make sure he wouldn’t be a problem.

The base voted for Biden after they had no choice.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by sitkack on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:28PM (#41028841)
All the democrats fell on their swords so they weren't "splitting the vote", because Bernie was way way more popular than any of them.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by jonhohle on Sunday July 21, 2024 @07:12PM (#41029200)
I’ve said this elsewhere, but it seems like democrats have a problem with democracy, at least within their party. In 2016 shenanigans were pulled to bypass Bernie and the DNC won a lawsuit on the claim that they have no obligation to nominate the candidate selected by the people.[0] The 2020 primaries played out in a similar fashion with Biden having a difficult time and every other candidate stepping aside to allow him to have the nomination. Now I’m 2024 an entire nation has been disenfranchised of their primary selection and the foremost candidate being proposed never received any votes by anyone for a nomination to the highest office (she ended her candidacy before any primary in 2020).

Biden keeps saying democracy is at stake but the DNC seems to keep avoid any democratic process to find their candidate.

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilding_v._DNC_Services_Corp.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by SllX on Monday July 22, 2024 @03:27AM (#41031742)
This is undoubtedly one of the few times the Democrats collectively did the right thing and defended an outsider from taking over their Party the way Trump took over and undermined the Republican Party.

People like to imagine that the Parties are these kind of quasi-public entities that exist to serve the American people. They’re not. They’re private entities that are vehicles for the acquisition of power across local, State and Federal offices that are in a perpetual term-based competition with each other. We tolerate their campaigns because their battlefield is the ballot box instead of actual fields, but nominee selection still happens at conventions run by the parties themselves.

The Primary system you are familiar with is one that the Republicans and Democrats chose for themselves to inform their overall decisions on who to put forward as the candidate flying under their banner and has only been around since 1972.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by jonhohle on Monday July 22, 2024 @09:21AM (#41034069)
If the DNC no longer has use for a public nomination process, they should get rid of it. It wastes a significant amount of taxpayer resources with estimates in the hundreds of millions of public dollars required to run a primary. It looks like the party has regressed to 1968.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by SllX on Monday July 22, 2024 @10:53AM (#41035141)
I don’t disagree, although I’ll go a little further and say 1) parties should run their own damn primaries if they run them at all and 2) do so without spending a single cent of public money to do so.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by jonhohle on Monday July 22, 2024 @01:17PM (#41036863)
Completely agree.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by kelipso on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:28PM (#41028845)
There was also an intense pro-Biden anti-Bernie media campaign before the South Carolina primary. Fun times.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by ihumanable on Monday July 22, 2024 @07:39PM (#41040964)
People are downvoting you, but February 7th Chris Matthews is on MSNBC after Biden and Sanders debate he says that Sanders will lead to executions in Central Park.

https://www.newsweek.com/msnbc-host-chris-matthews-ties-bern...

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by cm2012 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:42PM (#41028957)
Completely wrong, everyone dropped out after Biden cemented an insurmountable lead on Super Tuesday
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by nyczomg on Sunday July 21, 2024 @07:49PM (#41029505)
Super Tuesday was on March 3 2020. Amy Klobuchar dropped out on March 2 2020 and endorsed Biden. Pete Buttigieg dropped out March 1 2020 and endorsed Biden.

The associated press wouldn't even call a winner for the Iowa caucus due to how poorly it was run https://apnews.com/article/fc6777e93b8c50b2fd20e0d31fcc43b3

There were definitely some interesting things going on in the 2020 Democratic primaries.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by shortrounddev2 on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @11:28AM (#41058070)
The Iowa caucus is always poorly run. It's a stupid way to elect a nominee
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by jeffbee on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:27PM (#41028822)
If there are people who don't remember these facts clearly, you are among them. Nobody dropped out "around Iowa" except Kremlin stooge Yang and literal Republican Bloomberg. No legitimate candidate dropped out until South Carolina, where Biden trounced the whole field.

They quit because they got their faces ripped off in a fair fight, not because of some backroom party shenanigans.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by shortrounddev2 on Monday July 22, 2024 @11:30PM (#41042265)
Biden was polling over 50% since the start of the race. The idea that Warren supporters owed Bernie their support is ridiculous (bernie and warren supporters hated each other), and the idea that everyone dropped out to save biden is a braindead conspiracy theory
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by joshuamorton on Sunday July 21, 2024 @09:33PM (#41030082)
This takes a particular view of leadership as chaotic, violent, and aggressive, and not as collaborative, and quiet, but still assertive.

Harris being immediately endorsed by basically all of the alternative candidates (Newsom, Whitmer, etc.) shows that her campaign has its shit together, and moving through the nomination process without conflict leaves fewer weaknesses for the opposition to take advantage of.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by ThePowerOfFuet on Sunday July 21, 2024 @05:21PM (#41028242)
Please stop spreading the cancer which is AMP.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/09/politics/joe-biden-bridge...

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by jimktrains2 on Sunday July 21, 2024 @09:20PM (#41030025)
At least it's on CNN's domain. I most hated that it used to always be hosted off of Google's domain.