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Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by dartos on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @08:47AM (#40976006)
I agree that I don’t think we’re in danger of runaway AGI, but tbf, in the early 2000s, there were a lot of safety risks to social media we couldn’t see yet.

“I don’t think a live message board is going to destroy society” could’ve been something someone said about Facebook or Twitter.

The danger there wasn’t in the tech, it was in the societal impact and consolidation of information control. Both, imo, are danger areas for AI as well.

Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by jrochkind1 on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @10:07AM (#40976768)
I think there probably are safety risks that I worry about too; but I don't think this article mentions them or is clear on what safety risks employees were worried about, if any, despite having the phrase "safety risks" in the headline?
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @09:10AM (#40976218)
did Facebook destroy society?
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by Devasta on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @09:31AM (#40976443)
It's facilitated multiple ethnic cleansings and it's main user base is now mentally ill anger addicts, primarily because of their algorithms; it'd be weird if you didn't think so.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by LanceH on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @10:08AM (#40976779)
Unironically telling someone what they should be thinking while complaining about social media's influence.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @12:08PM (#40977826)
I had an uncle like that, he would tell you how intelligent he thought you were if you agreed with him, but the moment you disagree, you're clearly not as intelligent as he originally thought.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by fsociety on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @02:03AM (#40983013)
This unfortunately seems like the status quo in the modern age. It is worse in online discourse when you can type a message and put the phone down to forget about it. There are little consequences to what you write.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by klodolph on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @09:18AM (#40976304)
This line of discussion is the “Let’s talk about whether the word ‘destroy’ is correct here” which is tangential at best.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @02:44AM (#40983167)
your response and that of many others here lead me to think I've attacked a religiously held belief here. I'd like to apologise for causing offense. I will not question the creed again.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by klodolph on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @09:26AM (#40985685)
It sounds like you got a lot of responses. Naturally, when you get a lot of responses to something, it feels very intense. So it’s natural to think that the people responding to you feel that same level of intensity that you do.

This is, usually, not true. But I can understand why you’d feel that way… I can understand why you feel like you’ve stepped on some kind of religious tenet.

In reality, it’s just a bunch of people independently replying to you. They’re not offended, it just feels intense to you because of how many people are replying. The same thing happens, for example, on Stack Overflow if you say something technically wrong, and ten people independently correct you. It feels like some kind of attack, even when it is not.

Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @10:27AM (#40986320)
That makes a lot of sense, thank you!
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by theyinwhy on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @09:38AM (#40976518)
They moved fast and broke things.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by baq on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @09:50AM (#40976605)
it technically didn't. enjoy being technically right.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @12:12PM (#40977859)
ah so it was hyperbole. got it thanks!
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by baq on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @05:20AM (#40983901)
glad to be of help! you may also be interested in the fact that people also use other rhetorical forms when writing on the internet.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @06:39AM (#40984445)
Keep on poisoning discussions, it's really helpful.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by baq on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @08:11AM (#40984981)
Sure wasn't me who asked a passive-aggressive pointless question.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @08:23AM (#40985085)
> “I don’t think a live message board is going to destroy society” could’ve been something someone said about Facebook or Twitter.

My mistake, I thought this was a genuine argument - it turned out I stepped into the middle of a religious war. I'm sorry for questioning the creed!

Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by dartos on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @10:27AM (#40986319)
My argument was that someone could have said “I think social media will destroy society” 20 years ago and back then it would have been a wild notion.

Judging by this thread, nowadays it would not be as much of a wild notion.

I use this observation to draw similarities to how we are currently viewing issues around the dangers of AI.

No argument is being made about social media itself.

That’s all you.

Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @12:03PM (#40987358)
> Judging by this thread, nowadays it would not be as much of a wild notion

yes you have convinced me, based on this thread, society has indeed been destroyed by social media. thank you.

Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by dartos on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @12:44PM (#40987755)
I gotchu
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by baq on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @03:08PM (#40989255)
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. "Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.”
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @05:27PM (#40990515)
what I need is an electric monk.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by homarp on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @09:47AM (#40976587)
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @05:17PM (#40980419)
> The report concludes that, prior to this year, we weren’t doing enough to help prevent our platform from being used to foment division and incite offline violence. We agree that we can and should do more.

people have been genociding their neighbours since before we were people. if it wasn't Facebook, they would have used something else. do you also support to banning e2e and having big brother reading everybody's communications? because if you don't, then anybody can organise a genocide without the authorities being able to stop them.

Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by homarp on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @05:40PM (#40980589)
you don't need to decode a message to decide it's a mass repost.

See https://faq.whatsapp.com/1053543185312573 for example.

Social media 'amplifies' trends, or even "makes" trend.

"The algorithm" is optimized for 'engagement'. The questions are a) can you detect via metadata something is happening and 'cool down' the amplification b) can you de-amplify anger? c) what is the responsibility of "the algorithm" makers ?

Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @06:26PM (#40980898)
so people who are so determined to genocide their neighbours are going to say oh damn, this juicy little "fact" about the other sort of person has already been shared 5 times and the algorithm won't let me forward it again, oh well, no genociding today.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by Lutger on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @09:19AM (#40976322)
yes
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by edgyquant on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @09:43AM (#40976558)
Anyone asking this question is doing so in bad faith. Do better
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @12:09PM (#40977835)
i take it poisoning the well has worked in your favour in the past, and now it's your go-to?
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by dartos on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @10:15AM (#40986198)
Literally no

But social media did radically change society and not strictly for the better, imo.

With hindsight, someone saying “social media will destroy society” seems more justified than it did 20ish years ago.

I’m using hyperbole to elicit and emotional reaction which, hopefully, will give readers pause to reflect on what I wrote.

Not everything is strictly literal.

Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @10:26AM (#40986310)
> I’m using hyperbole to elicit and emotional reaction which, hopefully, will give readers pause to reflect on what I wrote.

No, the emotional reaction it elicits is "oh here we go again." It's worse than useless, it completely undermines your point. Social media has a lot of negatives, and some positives. The negatives are mostly a result of chasing profit, and locked-in platforms as opposed to federation between equals. E.g. nobody's crying out that email is about to destroy the very fabric of reality.

Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by dartos on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @12:47PM (#40987780)
Emotional reactions are subjective.

You seem to be the only one really hung up on the made up quote I used to illustrate my point.

Maybe it undermines my point to you, but that’s okay.

Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by exe34 on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @02:17PM (#40988749)
no, no, you've convinced me - society was destroyed by social media. we all live in the ruins now, I'm sending this message through IP over avian carrier.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by dartos on Friday July 19, 2024 @04:53PM (#41011076)
Again, that wasn’t what I was arguing, but ok.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by slibhb on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @09:52AM (#40976620)
The whole "social media is dangerous" is a moral panic. There's just no good evidence for it.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by notaustinpowers on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @10:14AM (#40976837)
Facebook literally was foundational in ethnic cleansing within Myanmar, I'd be careful calling this a "moral panic". Oh, also, there is good evidence for it, including Facebook themselves!

https://about.fb.com/news/2018/11/myanmar-hria/

Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by slibhb on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @10:49AM (#40977146)
Your link is word salad as far as I can tell. It certainly doesn't say "Facebook was foundational in ethnic cleansing in Myanmar".

Social media companies are often scapegoats when things go wrong in the world. From teen mental illness (Jon Haidt) to Trump getting elected (Cambridge Analytica). And now apparently genocide in Myanmar. It's all just nonsense.

Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by notaustinpowers on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @11:46AM (#40977610)
Your lack of reading comprehension is not my problem.
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by slibhb on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @01:00PM (#40978247)
Oh no the social medias are killing the Burmese! Quick, someone arrest Marc Z! To The Hague with him!
Re:OpenAI illegally barred staff from airing safety risks, w... by notaustinpowers on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @01:31PM (#40978519)
okay...?