We need visual programming. No, not like that

Re:We need visual programming. No, not like that by fwsgonzo on Monday July 15, 2024 @05:28AM (#40966379)

I have a 1,5M LOC game codebase, where both the server and client builds and starts nearly instantly. Probably < 3sec total iteration time just because of typing stuff in the terminal. Build system is just a casual ccache + mold. But you have to do a lot of stuff in the background during startup.

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Re:We need visual programming. No, not like that by anonzzzies on Monday July 15, 2024 @05:52AM (#40966463)

Let’s see it. To not be a total gobshite, go download these things and see what ‘instant’ really doesn’t mean. Instant means not wait 1 second; it means when I type code, it has results in milliseconds. None of these have that.

Or show me a non trivial open source ts project that’s instant; doesn’t exist and I have literally no clue why people keep defending this stuff; you didn’t make it right? I would be embarrassed but definitely not defending it.

https://www.kirandev.com/open-source-nextjs-projects-open-fo...

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Re:We need visual programming. No, not like that by az09mugen on Monday July 15, 2024 @06:58AM (#40966734)

While I totally agree with you, I'm looking for a counter example. The only one which comes to my mind, is non trivial and quite fast for js/ts is this : https://github.com/tsoding/raycasting An implementation of raycast in a 2D canvas The dev tried to implement hot reloading, and you can see all the process there https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpM-Dvs8t0VZ08cYW6yqN...

Even though I didn't measured the loading time, an effort has been made to accelerate everything that could be accelerated.

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Re:We need visual programming. No, not like that by jbverschoor on Monday July 15, 2024 @07:36AM (#40966912)

Even the simplest type inference can cause typescript to stall for minutes. The problem is in the inference. That problem goes away when you're actually specifying types. Tooling should add typing automatically (not implicitly)

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Re:We need visual programming. No, not like that by zarathustreal on Monday July 15, 2024 @08:12AM (#40967128)

Minutes? There’s no way you’ve seen a minutes-long stall caused by TypeScript inference..I need to see some evidence on this one

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Re:We need visual programming. No, not like that by jbverschoor on Monday July 15, 2024 @05:37PM (#40971683)

I'll look into it.. But yeah, had that multiple times (older versions though). Specifying the type solves is, and I was not the only one after some googling

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