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Re:AES-Gem (AES with Galois Extended Mode) by tom_ on Saturday July 13, 2024 @09:35AM (#40954035)
Don't see also, because it's completely unrelated, GEM AES: https://www.seasip.info/Gem/aes.html
Re:AES-Gem (AES with Galois Extended Mode) by exabrial on Saturday July 13, 2024 @10:57AM (#40954479)
Remember: You should never been on the bleeding edge with crypto. It takes years to find attacks in ciphers, and more years to find attacks in implementations.

Never roll your on crypto. Always move slow and trust the process.

Re:AES-Gem (AES with Galois Extended Mode) by jedisct1 on Saturday July 13, 2024 @04:43PM (#40956731)
This is not a new cipher. The approach is actually very conservative.

Moving slow is fine, but the reality is that the current options are not great for today's use cases. They're very easy to use insecurely.

Re:AES-Gem (AES with Galois Extended Mode) by exabrial on Sunday July 14, 2024 @10:19PM (#40964793)
Ironically, this is exactly what I'm warning about.
Re:AES-Gem (AES with Galois Extended Mode) by bjoli on Saturday July 13, 2024 @01:40PM (#40955509)
I like these proposals to extend the current systems. They will probably never lead anywhere, but they are still a nice reminder that we are still learning things.

My vacation plans include trying to grok at least a little bit of the xocb paper: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1007/978-3-031-30634-1_18

Re:AES-Gem (AES with Galois Extended Mode) by jedisct1 on Saturday July 13, 2024 @03:15PM (#40956171)
This is a great proposal.

It would have been a good opportunity to leverage the AES-PRF construction (see tosc.v2018.i2.161-191 in addition to the original paper), whose overhead is negligible. But unfortunately, FIPS restrictions is why we can't have nice things.

If FIPS compliance is not a requirement, AEGIS (AEGIS-256 in particular) is a more efficient alternative and on the standard track.

But when only FIPS-approved things can be used, AES-GEM is a nice way to solve a very common problem.

Re:AES-Gem (AES with Galois Extended Mode) by jedisct1 on Saturday July 13, 2024 @08:15PM (#40957883)
Re:AES-Gem (AES with Galois Extended Mode) by asjfkdlf on Sunday July 14, 2024 @08:01AM (#40960409)
How does this compare to other GCM alternatives such as AES-SIV and AES GCM-SIV?