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Re:Ask HN: Why does no one seem to care that AI gives wrong ... by stavros on Thursday July 11, 2024 @07:49AM (#40935647)
I find that "intelligence" was a shaky concept to begin with, but LLMs have completely thrown the idea in the trash. When someone says "LLMs are not intelligent", I treat that as a bit of a signal that I shouldn't pay much attention to their other points, because if you haven't realized that you don't have a good definition for intelligence, what else haven't you realized?
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Re:Ask HN: Why does no one seem to care that AI gives wrong ... by Jensson on Thursday July 11, 2024 @10:27AM (#40937192)
> When someone says "LLMs are not intelligent", I treat that as a bit of a signal that I shouldn't pay much attention to their other points, because if you haven't realized that you don't have a good definition for intelligence, what else haven't you realized?

So you have a good definition for "intelligent", and it applies to LLM? Please tell us! And explain how that definition is so infallible that you know that everyone who says LLM aren't intelligent are wrong?

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Re:Ask HN: Why does no one seem to care that AI gives wrong ... by stavros on Thursday July 11, 2024 @11:52AM (#40937976)
> So you have a good definition for "intelligent", and it applies to LLM?

No. I feel like that was my whole point.

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Re:Ask HN: Why does no one seem to care that AI gives wrong ... by rossdavidh on Thursday July 11, 2024 @11:10AM (#40937586)
I'm sure there's plenty I haven't realized, but the reason it's worth pointing out that LLM's are not intelligent, is that their boosters routinely refer to them as "AI", and the "I" in there stands for "intelligence", so pointing out that the label applied is not accurate, is important.
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Re:Ask HN: Why does no one seem to care that AI gives wrong ... by stavros on Thursday July 11, 2024 @11:53AM (#40937980)
In that case, what AI system do you feel that the label can be applied to?
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Re:Ask HN: Why does no one seem to care that AI gives wrong ... by rossdavidh on Thursday July 11, 2024 @03:33PM (#40939802)
I don't think there is one. Many researchers had tried to switch the field to using "ML" instead, since it's a lot more accurate of a label, but it doesn't hype as well, and that appears to have been the decisive factor.
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Re:Ask HN: Why does no one seem to care that AI gives wrong ... by stavros on Thursday July 11, 2024 @03:39PM (#40939854)
When I did my masters fifteen years ago, it was a masters in "machine learning". AI was already just what laypeople called it.

If your argument is that "this isn't AGI", I don't think anyone at all disagrees, but then that's a bit of a tautology.

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