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Re:United Airlines Jet Loses Wheel in Repeat of March Incident by autoexec on Monday July 08, 2024 @06:48PM (#40910600)
Which other manufacturers recently had a huge hole open up in the plane mid-flight? Which other manufacturers are guilty of conspiring to defraud the FAA? Which other manufacturers installed software that resulted in deadly crashes because pilots weren't even aware it existed and/or weren't trained on it?

It's possible that there really are other manufacturers with these exact same problems, but either way it looks like Boeing has more than earned all the scrutiny and criticism they're getting. I'm all for naming and shaming other manufacturers that make deliberate choices to routinely put profits over human life though.

Re:United Airlines Jet Loses Wheel in Repeat of March Incident by jryle70 on Monday July 08, 2024 @11:11PM (#40912207)
He said "this stuff happens _every day_ to all manufacturers". That's unquestionably true - [0], since this was an operational issue handled by the airlines. You then rebuffed his post with your rant about manufacturing issues at Boeing, which is completely different.

> I'm all for naming and shaming other manufacturers that make deliberate choices to routinely put profits over human life though.

Empty and cringeworthy. There is a saying "Any idiot can build a bridge that stands, but it takes an engineer to build a bridge that barely stands". Doing something in the most efficient manner and cost effective is the tenet of great engineering. The trick is doing it while still prioritizing safety. That's what Boeing failed at. Not because they tried to save money. HN of all place should be well aware of that. No wonder populism is in vogue.

[0] - https://avherald.com/

Re:United Airlines Jet Loses Wheel in Repeat of March Incident by autoexec on Tuesday July 09, 2024 @12:11AM (#40912478)
> He said "this stuff happens _every day_ to all manufacturers". That's unquestionably true - [0],

Specifically he said, "blows my mind people post boeing after boeing problem online and all over reddit... but literally this stuff happens _every day_ to all manufacturers."

My reply highlighted only a few of the many reasons why it shouldn't be surprising that so many of Boeing's problems are being frequently talked about both in the news and on social media while also demonstrating that Boeing's problems are not always things that happen to "all manufacturers"

Even if we look only at this specific instance of a problem, while it is true that given the many 10s of thousands of commercial flights that take place every day in the US mechanical problems happen frequently (even daily), it is not true that losing a landing gear wheel while taking off is a daily occurrence.

> Doing something in the most efficient manner and cost effective is the tenet of great engineering. The trick is doing it while still prioritizing safety. That's what Boeing failed at. Not because they tried to save money.

According to the lawsuit against them and their own internal communications that's exactly what they did. Greed was the motivation for their actions which undermined safety and even when they knew about the dangers they actively hid those dangers from regulators.

For more information see:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/boeing-charged-737-max-fraud-...

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/beyon...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/boeing-fifth-estate-costs-s...