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Re:US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet by voodoochilo on Saturday June 09, 2012 @08:22PM (#4089750)
asked rms few months ago if it wouldn't make sense to change the gpl in the direction of "no military use allowed". he replied that would destroy the "free software philosophy". i disagree. hate the idea that human beings are killed with the help of gnu/linux and/or free software.
Re:US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet by why-el on Saturday June 09, 2012 @08:35PM (#4089782)
I have to agree with rms here. No X allowed is inherently anti-free software. In cases like this one has to think long term, as in how freer software can lead to freer societies, i.e. societies that escape government coercion. That itself I think will lead to a significant decrease in military activity because free uncoerced citizens can stop their governments from engaging in such self-destructive acts.
Re:US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet by voodoochilo on Saturday June 09, 2012 @08:50PM (#4089810)
i know this all-or-nothing-argument and yes it is correct. it's about purity of the idea of free software, but killing humans is not pure. so how can the idea stay pure therefore?

and what do i tell my grandchildren if the ask me one day: "grandpa, why exactly did you write that big while-switch-statement which killed 6.000.000 people in 2016?"

Re:US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet by joshAg on Saturday June 09, 2012 @09:52PM (#4089930)
"I didn't write it so that 6 million people would be killed, nor did i write it for those people to use specifically. I wrote it to make people's lives easier and to advance human knowledge. I wrote it to create a tool that other could use. Like how people use a hammer. And just like a hammer, while most people used it how it was intended, some people used it to kill other people or to destroy things. Despite that, though, we don't ban hammers and stop making them.

Yes, some people used my code badly, and did horrible things with it, but others used it in spaceships and self driving cars. Ultimately what I made was a tool, and once something like code or an idea or a design is given to the world and the world sees how good it is, there is no way to restrict who uses it or how they use it.

My code is not inherently evil, nor is it inherently good. It just is. Others can use it to do good or to do bad, but at the end of the day, they are just using a tool to multiply the effects of their actions."

Re:US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet by voodoochilo on Sunday June 10, 2012 @08:26AM (#4090861)
well, i sleept on that and came to the point that this problem is similar to the knife-problem: you can use a knife to butter your bread or to cut someone into little pieces - but that's not the knife's fault or the fault of the guy who made the knife or the guy who invented the concept of the knife.

therefore rms and you other smart bastards;) were right - i was wrong.

Re:US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet by tedunangst on Saturday June 09, 2012 @09:31PM (#4089884)
err, why would you write a switch statement that kills all those people?
Re:US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet by meepmorp on Saturday June 09, 2012 @11:37PM (#4090100)
'Twas a bug; too lazy to write unit tests.
Re:US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet by espeed on Saturday June 09, 2012 @10:09PM (#4089958)
Douglas Crockford's JSLInt and JSON license include the clause:

  The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.
http://www.json.org/license.html

And JSLint was not used in Red Hat because of this (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455507) or Pylons (https://groups.google.com/d/msg/pylons-devel/rggWC8JVeAM/rQ6...).

Re:US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet by cema on Sunday June 10, 2012 @12:25AM (#4090178)
Many people would claim the military use is intended for the Good. Opinions differ.
Re:US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet by jen_h on Saturday June 09, 2012 @08:37PM (#4089784)
They are also protected by it; the sword has a few edges.
Re:US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet by metaobject on Saturday June 09, 2012 @10:55PM (#4090026)
In this case, at least, these drones only carry recon/surveillance payloads - I believe the article said "non-weaponized" or something to that effect.
Re:US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet by SkyMarshal on Saturday June 09, 2012 @09:16PM (#4089859)
Linux is a tool that can used, or misused, for any purpose. Attack the use, not the tool.