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Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by tobinfricke on Saturday July 06, 2024 @04:23PM (#40892972)
The output of ChatGPT almost always sounds good. That's the point.

But I would wager that its answer was at least wrong, and perhaps total nonsense.

That's the real hazard of using ChatGPT as a learning tool. You are in no position to evaluate whether the output makes any sense.

Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by bubblyworld on Saturday July 06, 2024 @04:47PM (#40893145)
I asked it to compute the simplicial homology of RP^2 and not only was it spot on with the result, it gave me a detailed and essentially correct computation. This definitely appears in its training set, but nevertheless you should have some humility =P
Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by soloist11 on Sunday July 07, 2024 @01:35AM (#40895486)
How do you know it's correct? The only simplicial traingulation I know of is by splitting up the sphere into an icosahedron and then identifying all the opposite faces to get the proper antipodal action for the quotient.
Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by bubblyworld on Sunday July 07, 2024 @05:06AM (#40896214)
I'm not interested in engaging with you further on this topic after you devolved into ad hominems against me in the other thread. I'm here to argue in good faith. Have a good day.
Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by soist on Sunday July 07, 2024 @01:19PM (#40898970)
You made an incorrect assessment of a basic calculation in algebraic topology and claimed that it was correct. You didn't even look at what it was computing and simply looked at the final answer which lined up with the answer on Wikipedia. Simplicial calculations for projective planes are not simple. The usual calculations are done with cellular decomposition and that's why the LLM gives the wrong answer, the actual answer is not in the dataset and requires reasoning.
Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by bubblyworld on Monday July 08, 2024 @03:58AM (#40903458)
Are you confusing me with someone else? When I asked it GPT computed the homology from the CW decomposition of RP^2 with three cells. Which is a very simple exercise.

I recommend that you give it a try.

Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by soist on Thursday July 11, 2024 @01:34AM (#40933940)
That's ok. It seems like LLMs know all about simplicial complexes and homology so I'll spend my time on more fruitful endeavors but thanks for the advice.
Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by bubblyworld on Thursday July 11, 2024 @07:32AM (#40935526)
To be fair, it's not a simplicial complex, but simplicial and cellular homology coincide on triangulatable spaces like RP^2 so I gave it the benefit of the doubt =) algebraic topology is a pretty fun field regardless of how much a language model knows about it IMO.
Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by soist on Friday July 12, 2024 @09:39AM (#40945474)
Do you have a reference for this equivalency?
Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by bubblyworld on Thursday July 18, 2024 @06:04PM (#41000190)
It's in Hatcher iirc
Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by fragmede on Saturday July 06, 2024 @11:27PM (#40895059)
I dunno what you wanted to wager, but I would still be interested in the holes in this answer.

https://chatgpt.com/share/e84800dd-c714-42d4-977b-b446c5c5ed...

Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by soloist11 on Sunday July 07, 2024 @01:42AM (#40895516)
That's incorrect.
Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by fragmede on Sunday July 07, 2024 @01:50AM (#40895541)
No it isn't.
Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by soloist11 on Sunday July 07, 2024 @01:54AM (#40895566)
lmao. you're totally right. RP^2 can be triangulated with a single triangle with all of its vertices identified. that's totally how you compute the simplicial decomposition of RP^2
Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by fragmede on Sunday July 07, 2024 @02:03AM (#40895600)
I asked you explain why it's wrong, and all you said was "that's incorrect". Saying "no it isn't" got you to explain your answer far better than how I directly asked you to in the first place.
Re:Tokens are a big reason today's generative AI falls short by soloist11 on Sunday July 07, 2024 @02:06AM (#40895606)
Don't worry, we'll have AGI soon and it will give the correct answer instead of whatever plausible nonsense it put together this time. I have faith.