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Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by alephnerd on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @11:03AM (#40857365)
Chilean Spanish is heavily influenced by Spanish, German, Italian, and Croat immigrants from a pronunciation and colloquialism standpoint because those were the 4 main immigrant communities to Chile.

Also, Spain Spanish is not necessarily "Standard" (Castilian) Spanish.

Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by melenaboija on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @11:54AM (#40857858)
My opinion as Spaniard and having a chilean close, is that Chilean Spanish is the closest to mine in terms of pronunciation. And to me what makes the biggest difference is not European migration but native words.
Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by rob74 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @11:19AM (#40857519)
That's why I put it in quotes :)
Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by alephnerd on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @11:25AM (#40857574)
Spain Spanish isn't "Standard" Spanish though. The closest thing to "Standard" Spanish is what the RAE prescribes, but no one listens to them. Insurgencies and protests were fought over this fact in Spain during the Francoist and Post-Francoist era (eg. Andalusian, Murcian, Canarian, Leonese)
Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by Phrodo_00 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @01:06PM (#40858528)
More than any of that, it's influenced by Mapuzungun in a way other countries just aren't exposed - Argentina's Conquest of the Dessert was more brutal, and is the only other modern country where Mapuche land was.
Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by colimbarna on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @12:48AM (#40862801)
Desert, n, stress on the first syllable, means a place without much rain, but it comes from the notion of being deserted so sometimes it just means an unpopulated area.

To desert, v, stress on the second syllable, means to leave/abandon something.

Desert, n, stress on the second syllable, is what you deserve "he got his just deserts"

Dessert, n, stress on the second syllable, is a sweet course of a meal that follows the main course. It has an extra s because of its etymology not its pronunciation.

I'm quite sure this mess was designed to be as confusing as possible.

Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by Phrodo_00 on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @01:45PM (#40868296)
Thanks, I don't normally make this kind of phonetic mistake. Didn't even notice.
Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by ivm on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @12:21AM (#40862672)
The main influences are Mapudungun and the Andalusian accent due to many early immigrants coming from that region. Neither German nor others were numerous enough to influence the Chilean dialect, especially in the capital (Germans and Croats mostly got lands in the south).
Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by flobosg on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @08:10AM (#40865175)
> Neither German nor others were numerous enough to influence the Chilean dialect

I’ll just say: kuchen, cachái.

Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by ivm on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @08:40AM (#40865397)
But cachái doesn't come from English-speaking immigrants. It's just one of the many English loanwords present in modern languages. And despite living in Valdivia –a city that once had street signs in German– I can't recall any other German loanwords aside from kuchen.
Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by flobosg on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @08:58AM (#40865530)
> It's just one of the many English loanwords present in modern languages.

Which other modern language uses cachái, with the same spelling, in the same context as Chile?

> I can't recall any other German loanwords aside from kuchen.

Still influenced the dialect, didn’t it?

Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by ivm on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @09:41AM (#40865888)
I was trying to say that loanwords are generally present in languages. Modern German itself has many weirdly used English words without any immigrants to bring them in the first place.

> Still influenced the dialect, didn’t it?

A few food names do not qualify as "influenced the dialect" for me. Mapudungun did influence the Chilean dialect, but German did not. I generally find the "German influence in the south" very exaggarated and a cover-up for the fact that the primary influences in the south have always come from Mapuche culture.

But there's a broad veneration of Germans and other Europeans, combined with a disdain towards indigenous peoples and their cultures, so the "German South" myth withstands, along with that one photo of Puerto Varas taken from the right angle to make it look like a German town.

Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by flobosg on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @09:59AM (#40866022)
> Modern German itself has many weirdly used English words without any immigrants to bring them in the first place.

This is correct. Case in point: Beamer.

> A few food names do not qualify as "influenced the dialect" for me.

For you. That doesn’t change the fact that the term has widespread use all over the national territory.

> Mapudungun did influence the Chilean dialect

If you want to stress the point, I’d additionally argue that a larger amount of indigenous-derived terms (including several words for vegetables) came from the Quechua. Although, according to your own set of criteria, a few food names would not qualify.

Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by ivm on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @10:37AM (#40866333)
There are more Quechua words, but yes, a few food names are not "language influence" in any seruous way. French influenced English and Russian, Arabic influenced Spanish, but the only linguistic legacy of Germans in Chile are kuchen, strudel, and some weird last names used as street names.
Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by flobosg on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @10:43AM (#40866395)
> a few food names are not "language influence" in any seruous way

Your conclusion is then that Chilean Spanish has no Quechua language influence in any serious way?

> the only linguistic legacy of Germans in Chile are kuchen, strudel, and some weird last names used as street names

You forgot bocha, polca, and murra.

Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by ivm on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @10:57AM (#40866561)
You keep either missing or intentionally misinterpreting what I'm saying, and then arguing against your own interpretation. So let's end it.

> murra

It's mora down here.

Re:Why Is Chile So Long? by flobosg on Friday July 12, 2024 @04:31AM (#40943692)