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Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by User23 on Monday July 01, 2024 @08:23PM (#40852327)
The difference between small arms and artillery is absolutely enormous.

Handguns and rifles make loud popping noises. Exploding artillery shells are concussive bombs that produce brain rattling blasts.

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by WalterBright on Monday July 01, 2024 @10:19PM (#40852971)
In WW1, they called it "shell shock" for soldiers incapacitated without obvious injury. In WW2 it was called "battle fatigue", and now TBI.

It seems the WW1 doctors got it right the first time.

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by mikl on Monday July 01, 2024 @10:51PM (#40853141)
Also, artillery has gotten bigger and boomier since then. If it was bad then, it’s likely worse now.
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by justin66 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @12:07AM (#40853470)
True, but we've got better protective equipment as well.
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by dboreham on Monday July 01, 2024 @11:26PM (#40853291)
Hmm. Wasn't WWI "peak artillery"? We use 155mm and rockets now, right?
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by throwawayffffas on Monday July 01, 2024 @11:03PM (#40853198)
Artillery has actually gotten smaller. Propellant charges have gotten "boomier" high explosive instead of smokeless propellants hence the traumatic brain injuries on the teams firing them.
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by Dylan16807 on Monday July 01, 2024 @11:24PM (#40853282)
What? Shell shock is PTSD. The doctors were concerned about concussive trauma but investigated and ruled it out as the cause.

The concern itself was right to have, but I don't think the concern has ever gone away.

So I don't characterize that as very "right the first time".

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by WalterBright on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @12:40AM (#40853626)
They were right as to the cause.
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @01:04AM (#40853710)
> the cause

Not at all. It might be a cause, but tons of PTSD has nothing to do with concussive trauma, so much so that the other cases overwhelmed the correlating cases when they investigated the causation.

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by caddemon on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @06:53AM (#40855345)
I doubt they had the right technology back then to actually investigate for physical brain trauma. Even today CTE diagnoses are made post mortem. And one can end up with CTE without ever having a full blown concussion.
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @12:18PM (#40858091)
They had plenty of tech to figure out whether people were near explosions at all.

PTSD is a different thing from TBI/CTE, overlap or not. The diagnosis for PTSD was called shell shock. They did not have it right in a general sense.

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by djmips on Monday July 01, 2024 @09:37PM (#40852753)
Navy Seals aren't firing artillery. The article says the Seals brains were damaged by their own weapons which I assume to be rifles but maybe I'm wrong.
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by serf on Monday July 01, 2024 @09:45PM (#40852802)
they're talking about blasts from open-air combustion shoulder mounted anti-tank weapons.. very nearly artillery, and very loud.[0] . The article linked is the one mentioned in the parent article.

one of the major problems with such weapons is that although the support crew can shield themselves, often the firing soldier cannot due to operation of the weapon.

[0]: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/26/us/military-brain-injury-...

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by mcmcmc on Monday July 01, 2024 @09:49PM (#40852820)
SEALs and other special forces use a lot of heavy weaponry and explosives in addition to small arms like rifles and sidearms. Think door breaching charges, grenades, rocket launchers, heavy machine guns.