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Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by cogman10 on Monday July 01, 2024 @04:54PM (#40850564)
What about overthrowing the government? Because that's the "offical" act of the president with today's ruling.

Further, it should be noted that the lower court already did exactly what the supreme court remanded back to them. They said "we don't know what sorts of immunity are granted to a president, but if there is any they are not granted, it's overturning an election as is accused in this specific case".

The supreme court took up this case specifically to help donald trump and because they couldn't challenge the ruling given they made up their own facts to give the ruling they wanted to give.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by rayiner on Monday July 01, 2024 @07:26PM (#40851922)
There is a criminal statute for that! https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383. Appropriately titled "rebellion or insurrection." Trump was not charged under that statute.
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by i-am-fnord on Monday July 01, 2024 @08:57PM (#40852545)
But if one overthrows the government via official acts, then one enjoys absolute immunity.

For example, the president can deem opposition party leaders to be terrorists and then in an official capacity order them to be assassinated by the SEALs. He can grant blanket pardons to everyone involved while he himself enjoys absolute immunity for his official acts.

The Senate will never be able to impeach or convict you when you’ve killed off those who would do it.

This ruling makes the president a temporary dictator, and it’s reeeeeally easy to go from a temporary dictator to a lifetime one.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by chii on Monday July 01, 2024 @09:49PM (#40852822)
> deem opposition party leaders to be terrorists

why is it so easy to just deem some group of people terrorists, without any evidence presented?

And if this is true, why can't biden do it today, and preempt trump from doing it?

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by nmd1 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @03:31AM (#40854343)
Look up McCarthyism.

And Democratic party are known to not want to rock the boat, so to speak.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by curt15 on Monday July 01, 2024 @07:31PM (#40851955)
> What about overthrowing the government? Because that's the "offical" act of the president with today's ruling.

The ruling basically says the only way for the case to move forward is to determine what parts of Trump's conduct can be deemed "unofficial".

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by kcplate on Monday July 01, 2024 @09:29PM (#40852712)
Here is a legal brain twister to chew on. Trump probably could not have been charged with insurrection…because he could not overthrow himself. On January 6, he was still the president and represented the government.

Disruption of a government proceeding is more appropriate. Had Trump did what he did on January 21st, 2021…you might have a case for insurrection.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by paulddraper on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @12:00AM (#40853435)
> What about overthrowing the government?

Overthrowing....the government he was in charge of?

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by DEADMINCE on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @12:29AM (#40853573)
It was an unsuccessful attempt. Apparently that's enough for you to be cool with it though.
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by beart on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @09:03AM (#40856240)
Are you implying the president has complete authority over all branches of government?
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by paulddraper on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @03:22PM (#40859662)
No more than the government has complete authority over me.
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by pseudalopex on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @07:14PM (#40861355)
A self-coup, also called an autocoup (from Spanish autogolpe) or coup from the top, is a form of coup d'état in which a nation's head, having come to power through legal means, tries to stay in power through illegal means.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by tiltowait on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @12:50PM (#40858357)
Doesn’t the ruling say the lower courts have to go back and determine which acts were and were not official?
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by 8note on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @02:02PM (#40859008)
It's strange that they haven't delegated to Congress to write a law specifying which acts are and aren't official, and that without said law, no acts the president does that aren't specifically listed in the constitution are official

That would be much more in line with the courts other decisions than asking a court to write the law