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Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by adastra22 on Friday June 28, 2024 @03:32PM (#40824321)
> I'll point out that the agency system has ~100 years of efficacy behind it.

The agency system you are advocating for has only a few decades of history. Chevron was a 1984 decision, and didn’t really rise to prominence until the Obama administration.

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by ceejayoz on Friday June 28, 2024 @03:42PM (#40824454)
The 1984 decision was a case contesting the agency system's authority. The result of that case confirmed the status quo, which existed long before 1984.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevron_U.S.A.,_Inc._v._Natura....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_Procedure_Act

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by adastra22 on Friday June 28, 2024 @03:49PM (#40824541)
Up until the ACA, political platforms were accomplished by passing legislation. There was always ambiguity in that legislation to be resolved by courts, and nothing in today’s decision changes that. But prior to Obama’s administration, it was really rare the agencies would enforce policies with no basis in the law whatsoever.

That’s what Chevron deference is about. There is no law on the books that gives the FTC authorization to ban non-competes. They just argued that it kinda-sorta fell within the scope of their expertise and did it.

That is by and large how the government has been run for the last decade and a half. It is not how the government has run for most of the last 100 years as you claim. Most of that time period the agencies stuck to the letter of the law, only deviating in rare circumstances.

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by ceejayoz on Friday June 28, 2024 @03:55PM (#40824600)
> There is no law on the books that gives the FTC authorization to ban non-competes.

Sure there is; it's the Federal Trade Commission Act, which says "Unfair methods of competition in or affecting commerce, and unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce, are hereby declared unlawful."

They, through the regulatory process, correctly determined that non-competes are unfair methods of competition.

> But prior to Obama’s administration, it was really rare the agencies would enforce policies with no basis in the law whatsoever.

Obama's administration changed the makeup of the court with his loss of Scalia's seat, failure to pressure RBG to resign, and Trump's subsequent picks; that's what changed. The regulatory setup long predates his presidency. Chevron fell because the court got extra conservative members, nothing more.

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by adastra22 on Friday June 28, 2024 @04:02PM (#40824665)
I don’t think it will be useful to either of us to continue this thread, so I am bowing out. Wish you the best.
Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by cscurmudgeon on Saturday June 29, 2024 @02:26AM (#40828255)
> Sure there is; it's the Federal Trade Commission Act, which says "Unfair methods of competition in or affecting commerce, and unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce, are hereby declared unlawful."

Not really. Do you think "Unfair" has an objective definition? Just saying something is unfair won't make it automatically or objectively unfair. Non competes are not deceptive.

It may be covered but the point it is not logically implied by the text you quoted.

Compare that with the objectivity of this (still contains a lot subjectivity):

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2013-title42/html...

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by jeegsy on Friday June 28, 2024 @03:45PM (#40824497)
I was going to comment this as well. Somehow we as a country managed to get by before 1984.
Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by ceejayoz on Friday June 28, 2024 @03:46PM (#40824507)
We had agencies writing regulations well prior to 1984.

The first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Commerce_Commission

Chevron was a failed attempt at knocking that setup down.

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by adastra22 on Friday June 28, 2024 @03:50PM (#40824545)
Today’s decision isn’t striking down the concept of regulatory agencies.
Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by ceejayoz on Friday June 28, 2024 @03:53PM (#40824584)
It drastically impairs their effectiveness.