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Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by GenerWork on Friday June 28, 2024 @11:15AM (#40821478)
>Yes but people who have been listening have also been dreading this coming for years.

Why are they dreading this? I find it strange how so many people are upset that the Supreme Court is forcing Congress to do its job, which is pass laws.

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by tankenmate on Friday June 28, 2024 @11:27AM (#40821627)
But the effect of this ruling will mean that Congress will have to pass an order of magnitude more laws; and there is only so much time for debates (which are required in order to pass laws). Or, executive bodies won't be able to do what is required to keep country wide productivity up.

This is the equivalent of requiring a stand up meeting for every commit to a repo; it's plainly obvious that over time it will kill USA's productivity. This is judicial drag on the economy.

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by mike_hearn on Friday June 28, 2024 @01:03PM (#40822622)
It's worth noting that other comparable countries don't delegate law-making power to the executive in the same way the US does. For example in the UK only Parliament may make laws, the civil service can draft it but that's the limit (post-EU-exit that is, the EU is something else).

There is a concept called a statutory instrument in which the process is optimized by allowing changes to be made to law either by "laying them before" Parliament, in which case only approval or rejection is possible, not amendment. Annulling new regulations in this manner is extremely rare however. Or in some cases it's allowed for the responsible Minister or committee of MPs to make the changes directly, which in practice means they sign off on changes proposed by the civil service. This is usually only the case for very minor changes like updating thresholds, shutting down roads for construction work etc.

Despite the inability of the civil service to directly change the law, the UK is not suffering from a deficit of regulations. So there's no reason in principle it should harm productivity, unless you mean, productivity of the government itself.

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by enragedcacti on Friday June 28, 2024 @02:17PM (#40823395)
It seems like an important distinction that unlike the US their government intentionally collapses if the legislature no longer supports the executive. Given two separate legislatures, the filibuster, the presidential veto , fixed terms, etc. it might just make sense for the US government to work a little differently.
Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by jellicle on Friday June 28, 2024 @05:58PM (#40825706)
As an FYI: Parliamentary governments routinely delegate regulation-making power to the particular Ministries, in exactly the same way as the USA Congress delegates it to executive agencies.

https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/secondary-legislati...

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by mike_hearn on Saturday June 29, 2024 @06:27AM (#40829200)
Yes I mentioned SIs already. The powers are technically delegated to a minister not an agency, however, who is (almost always) an elected member of parliament.
Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by eightysixfour on Friday June 28, 2024 @08:54PM (#40826990)
That's not true, negative procedure SIs do not need to be approved. They can only be rejected. Most SIs are negatives, not the positives that you described.
Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by saint_fiasco on Friday June 28, 2024 @11:24AM (#40821586)
> forcing Congress to do its job

> Why are they dreading this?

You answered your own question there. Congress should do its job, but as a matter of fact it is not doing its job and it is not going to do its job anytime soon.

The Court might be technically, legally, philosophically correct in removing the inelegant hacks that the previous courts set up to route around the fact that Congress does not do its job. But in the meantime, Congress is still not doing its job.

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by GenerWork on Friday June 28, 2024 @11:26AM (#40821618)
I'm talking about the "people who have been listening to the court and dreading this". Who are these listeners who remain undefined? Are they congressmembers? Are they pundits?
Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by saint_fiasco on Friday June 28, 2024 @11:36AM (#40821742)
The obvious example is pro-choice people who wish that Congress would pass a law that favors their position, and have been forced to rely on weird Supreme Court rulings by activist judges instead.

You can argue that the pro-choice people should just accept that Congress does not decide in their favor, that this is a democracy and in a democracy sometimes you lose. But it's not like Congress has decided in favor of their opponents either. They just decide nothing. If Congress actually decided one way or the other then at least people would know where they stand and could stop feeling anxious about it.

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by tankenmate on Friday June 28, 2024 @11:29AM (#40821659)
Mainly corporate lawyers, legal scholars (mainly academic institutions), and public interest lawyers. The people in the trenches.
Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by HDThoreaun on Friday June 28, 2024 @01:12PM (#40822707)
Me. I like regulatory agencies to be able to regulate, and unless congress figures out it’s shit quickly there will be big problems.
Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by dctoedt on Friday June 28, 2024 @12:06PM (#40822042)
> I find it strange how so many people are upset that the Supreme Court is forcing Congress to do its job, which is pass laws.

That's the Assume a Can Opener fallacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assume_a_can_opener

Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by throwup238 on Friday June 28, 2024 @11:26AM (#40821614)
That's a nice catch 22 they've got there. Congress has been passing laws for decades under the assumption that the Chevron case is settled precedent. Now they're getting rid of it because... Congress needed to instead pass laws completely ignoring the courts ruling?
Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by esoterica on Friday June 28, 2024 @12:33PM (#40822298)
Congress is broken and structurally incapable of passing laws under this level of political polarization because there are too many veto points (bicameral legislature, the filibuster, the presidential veto) for any law to get passed even if it's supported by the majority of legislators and the majority of voters.
Re:Supreme Court overrules Chevron deference [pdf] by quickthrowman on Friday June 28, 2024 @12:40PM (#40822368)
> Why are they dreading this? I find it strange how so many people are upset that the Supreme Court is forcing Congress to do its job, which is pass laws.

Congress is extremely dysfunctional and won’t be able to keep up. Corporations are going to exploit the lag in rule making by fucking over individuals like you and me. That’s why I’m concerned.