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Re:The Death of NYC Congestion Pricing by datameta on Friday June 28, 2024 @10:22AM (#40820872)
Right, that's part of the problem. During the work hours the temporary population of Manhattan grows about threefold. They contribute to immense gridlock and then disappear to their suburbs in another state. Why must the residents bear the brunt of the externalized traffic impact? It is only fair to treat available street space as a limited resource.
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Re:The Death of NYC Congestion Pricing by evanelias on Friday June 28, 2024 @10:47AM (#40821115)
That's tangential to the issue being discussed in this subthread, which is that there's physically no way to stay on highways when coming from the tunnels, even when attempting to reach non-Manhattan destinations in outer boroughs.

So the only relevant congestion for this specific issue is between the tunnels and the highways. Manhattan residents living near the tunnels know what they're signing up for. The tunnels opened in 1927 and 1937. The traffic isn't exactly a new problem.

Also, the parts of NJ in question (where the tunnels are closer than bridges) are largely urban in character. You make it sound like people are coming from some far-away leafy suburb, that's not the case for the majority of this population.

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Re:The Death of NYC Congestion Pricing by detourdog on Friday June 28, 2024 @01:02PM (#40822598)
People in NJ know what they are signing up for. The outer boroughs have existed in the same locations for decades. Traveling by automobile through Manhattan isn't exactly a new problem.
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Re:The Death of NYC Congestion Pricing by evanelias on Friday June 28, 2024 @02:57PM (#40823878)
Being charged $15 to travel literally two blocks between the tunnel and the West Side Highway is a new problem. That's the point. There's no way to avoid the city grid, due to bad highway design that doesn't directly connect either 495 or 78 with 9A.

Any congestion pricing plan which ignores that problem is going to be met with mass outrage, to an extent that will swing elections against incumbents. Especially when said incumbents promote this "no charge if you stay on highways" BS without explaining the fine print.

Again, I'm saying this as someone who only ever takes public transit and is generally in favor of congestion pricing as a concept.

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