Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by TaylorAlexander on Saturday June 22, 2024 @02:33AM
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This is false. You can create conditions where their only real choice is to work for you. And since they’re starving, they’ll work for very low wages. You sell the product of their labor and collect the surplus value created by their work.
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Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by WalterBright on Saturday June 22, 2024 @03:15AM
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> This is false. You can create conditions where their only real choice is to work for you.
Ok, cite an example where the conditions are just about starving, rather than being forced to work under the lash or at gunpoint.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by defrost on Saturday June 22, 2024 @03:35AM
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The majority of the Chinese immigrants were male, many having left wives, mothers, sisters, daughters, and future spouses at home in China. Foreign miner taxes in California, often aimed squarely at Chinese immigrants, prevented them from staking mining claims, which in turn forced them to look for opportunities elsewhere.
The CPRR hired an initial group of 50 Chinese workers that in short time dispelled the negative assumptions held by some CPRR managers. They fostered a reputation of strength, efficiency, and reliability. More Chinese workers would be hired and they held a variety of jobs: laborers, foremen, contractors, masons, carpenters, cooks, teamsters, interpreters, and medical professionals. Even so, racial inequalities persisted. Chinese workers were paid an average of 30% less than their white counterparts. They were segregated in work camps and had to pay for their own lodging, food, supplies, and equipment.
The disparity came to a head on June 24th, 1867, when all Chinese railroad workers from Cisco to Truckee, California, a 30 miles section of track, stopped work.
https://www.nps.gov/gosp/learn/historyculture/chinese-labor-...Confrontation, Threats -- and a Bloodless Resolution
After a week's worth of lean rations had settled upon the men, Charles Crocker returned to the work camps. He dictated the options as he saw them: wages and hours were immutable. If the hungry Chinese workers returned to work immediately they would only be fined, but if they continued on strike they would not get paid for the whole month of June.
Motivated by malnutrition, most men agreed to return to work
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/tcrr-ch...Numerous other examples in colonial history.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by WalterBright on Saturday June 22, 2024 @04:06AM
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Note that you cite laws that restricted the Chinese workers' options. Here's one of those laws:
http://libraryweb.uchastings.edu/library/research/special-co...
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by TaylorAlexander on Saturday June 22, 2024 @05:29AM
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All you said was “You cannot make money off of people who are starving.”
Yes you can, by coercing them in various legal and illegal ways. Your original comment was just the one quoted sentence above. It is not correct.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis...
by WalterBright on Saturday June 22, 2024 @03:22PM
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In a free market. All the examples cited turned out to be the result of government violent coercion, not free markets.