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Re:What is ZIRP, and how did it impact the startup world? by devnullbrain on Thursday June 20, 2024 @08:52PM (#40745108)
If you think LLMs are overhyped, the rational move is to start an LLM company, since it's practically the only way to obtain shares to sell.
Re:What is ZIRP, and how did it impact the startup world? by lokar on Thursday June 20, 2024 @10:54PM (#40745674)
Pure money stuff. He has said if you think something is over valued, short it. If you think the VC startup industry is overvalued the best way to do that is to start (and sell to VC) a startup. Enter adam neumann.
Re:What is ZIRP, and how did it impact the startup world? by skybrian on Friday June 21, 2024 @01:43AM (#40746537)
No, shorting is different; it's borrowing something you might not be able to pay back.

WeWork was signing leases - borrowing real estate. They went bankrupt from not being able to pay for it. This isn't the same as selling shares to VC's. Equity isn't debt.

Re:What is ZIRP, and how did it impact the startup world? by lokar on Friday June 21, 2024 @11:40AM (#40750709)
Yes, his point in the newsletter is that if you want to short something you can’t borrow, then you should (cynically) make more of it.
Re:What is ZIRP, and how did it impact the startup world? by skybrian on Friday June 21, 2024 @12:57PM (#40751449)
Okay, I remember that. But I think this could more simply be seen as becoming a supplier, responding to temporary demand. This could be done well or fraudulently.
Re:What is ZIRP, and how did it impact the startup world? by lokar on Saturday June 22, 2024 @01:02AM (#40756410)
Somewhere between honest supplier and fraud is the land of wework…
Re:What is ZIRP, and how did it impact the startup world? by kimixa on Thursday June 20, 2024 @09:26PM (#40745270)
If you think LLMs are overhyped, you likely expect a bubble burst when the "Emperor has no clothes!" moment happens - so it's rational to avoid the risk of being stuck holding the bag when that happens.
Re:What is ZIRP, and how did it impact the startup world? by c-linkage on Thursday June 20, 2024 @09:44PM (#40745371)
But with zirp you just borrow someone else's money to start the business and reap all the profits while the lenders suffer the losses! :-)
Re:What is ZIRP, and how did it impact the startup world? by skybrian on Friday June 21, 2024 @01:01PM (#40751486)
This could happen at any interest rate, or without borrowing at all, by selling stock instead. We might be seeing a bubble now?