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Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by practicemaths on Thursday June 20, 2024 @08:34AM (#40738017)
How is $2,500 not a reasonable expense for a small business?
Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by wpm on Thursday June 20, 2024 @09:55AM (#40738845)
Because it’s 100x more than what a small business probably needs (one server instance per year)?

Why pay $2500 for a lot of things you don’t need to get access to one when you could just pay for the one for $25?

Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by practicemaths on Thursday June 20, 2024 @10:19AM (#40739086)
Are you saying that $2500 is an unreasonable amount for a small business to invest in itself or let alone within startup costs?

If I started a tow-truck company, that would be a small business. I would also expect to invest more than $2500 into my tow-truck.

I trust a tangible analogy should be sufficient to get my point across.

Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by gabrielgio on Thursday June 20, 2024 @12:18PM (#40740398)
> Are you saying that $2500 is an unreasonable amount for a small business to invest in itself or let alone within startup costs?

No, he is saying that is too much money to spend on something you don’t need.

Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by practicemaths on Thursday June 20, 2024 @01:15PM (#40740980)
A price conscious consumer will not purchase this then.

I am confused at what the issue here is then.

The business presumably set their price for their target audience. If that price is too high then you are not the target audience.

Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by gabrielgio on Thursday June 20, 2024 @05:47PM (#40743780)
> Why does it always seem like the tech industry hates small businesses?

They is venting/complaining about SUSE not caring about small companies. That is it.

Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by donmcronald on Thursday June 20, 2024 @07:55PM (#40744781)
It's not just SUSE. It's almost everyone in the industry. No one wants to talk to you unless you can spend $5-10k per year and that just doesn't work for small owner operated businesses.

The thing people don't realize is that it's not just one company like SUSE that won't sell you anything unless you can spend $2500 / year, it's everyone with their hand out asking for a few thousand dollars.

There are several places where I could justify $100 to keep a single Linux VM running for a year, but $2500 is never going to happen. I don't expect anyone to provide support, but why not sell me access for one machine for $100?

I think the article is more like "SUSE Offers Lifeline to CentOS Users with 100+ Servers".

Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by donmcronald on Thursday June 20, 2024 @12:21PM (#40740433)
I’m talking about small owner operated businesses. A lot of them will compete with owner absent franchises that are set up to make $30-50k per year. So the owner can draw that, plus the salary of one employee. Often that puts their salary around $100k.

$2500 is what a lot of them would be looking to spend on a firewall, switch, and AP (total) which would have a 5 year lifecycle. They’ll have one or two VMs on a single server. So it ends up being $2500 for a single “server” (VM) if they need Linux for something.

The tech industry is out of touch with the small business world and it’s getting worse.

Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by neverartful on Thursday June 20, 2024 @01:30PM (#40741130)
That's probably not a good example. The odds of an tow-truck owner/operator needing to setup a linux server is pretty low. I exited the tech industry and now run a handyman service and even I probably wouldn't pay those fees.
Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by practicemaths on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @04:45PM (#40793384)
Actually, why would it be low? Dispatch? Accounting? Automatically handling invoices?

There's plenty of reasons why a tow-truck company may want a server.

Regardless, clearly I was talking about a tow-truck company buying a tow-truck and not a server, as I was trying to convey that the dollar amount isn't obscene for a small business to handle.

As I am sure you're aware from your stated field of work that far more money than $2.5k is going into tools & such.

Nothing with regards to my comment was to suggest that the service one would be paying for here is worth that money. Maybe it is or isn't, that not I was commenting on.

It is purely that X amount of money was not unreasonable for a small business to expect to expense.

Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by BenjiWiebe on Thursday June 20, 2024 @09:49AM (#40738772)
$2,500 is a lot of money. 50 hours at $50/hour. Plenty (most?) small business owners aren't making $50 per hour.
Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by practicemaths on Thursday June 20, 2024 @10:17AM (#40739053)
Is this a one time expense or continuously yearly?

The pricing description in the article wasn't making that clear to me.

Regardless, $2500 is more than reasonable write off expense for startup costs in almost any sector a "small-business" may operate in.

100k is more than a believable amount of revenue for a small business to have.

Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by Suppafly on Thursday June 20, 2024 @01:36PM (#40741178)
The problem is that many people hear small business and assume it's like 1-10 employees, but really small business is anything up to ~500 employees and millions in revenue.
Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by sealeck on Thursday June 20, 2024 @09:52AM (#40738808)
It's a lot more servers than a business would need?
Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by practicemaths on Thursday June 20, 2024 @10:48AM (#40739355)
"Pricing starts at a reasonable $25 per server/instance per year, with a minimum $2,500 investment required."

So is it 100 server minimum or is it $2,500 upfront plus $25 per year after that for a single server/instance?

Re:SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Libert... by adamomada on Thursday June 20, 2024 @01:15PM (#40740982)
Right now it’s $2500/year unless you have more than 100 servers, each server thereafter would be $25 on top of $2500.

It’s most likely because the costs of doing any business with other businesses isn’t worth it with a $25 minimum.

I hope they get some feedback and reduce the minimum, but I completely understand the rationale.