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Re:Electricity prices in France turn negative as renewable e... by andrewxdiamond on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @03:00PM (#40720969)
And de-incentivizes supply. A real solution need to be available to balance the supply and demand of power such that the rates on both ends are predictable.

A market where a good fluctuates between profitable and not is not one very attractive to investment.

Playing the video game Victoria 3 has taught me a lot about healthy markets. You have to play both sides of supply and demand to get to the prices you need

Re:Electricity prices in France turn negative as renewable e... by topper-123 on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @03:12PM (#40721091)
Negative prices do incentivize storage, because storage will alliw sellers to sell at a time with higher prices (i.e. when demand is greater relative to supply).
Re:Electricity prices in France turn negative as renewable e... by thecosas on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @03:24PM (#40721213)
I could see this then pushing more consumers to have their own batteries to store energy when it's inexpensive. Interesting market playing out with energy storage :-)
Re:Electricity prices in France turn negative as renewable e... by bastawhiz on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @03:37PM (#40721348)
> A market where a good fluctuates between profitable and not is not one very attractive to investment.

This is the most wild thing I've ever read on this website. Pick just about any security and you'll see that buying and selling it over time fluctuates between profitable and not profitable. If something was always profitable everyone would do it and get infinitely rich. Arbitrage wouldn't exist. Economies would shut down.

Re:Electricity prices in France turn negative as renewable e... by bryanlarsen on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @03:23PM (#40721204)
Why? If you make a sufficient amount of money in the 5-8pm peak period it can make you strongly profitable despite losing money at noon.
Re:Electricity prices in France turn negative as renewable e... by Gare on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @03:36PM (#40721339)
And solar plants, unlike most other plants can be easily and quickly shut off so you don't even need to sell at negative prices.
Re:Electricity prices in France turn negative as renewable e... by nawitus on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @03:56PM (#40721583)
Empirically this doesn't seem to happen.