Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by jsheard on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @07:42AM
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The front camera and FaceID stuff are usually on their own assembly that plugs into the main board, so they could be removed completely, or permanently disconnected by cutting the flat flex cable if they're glued in a way that's difficult to remove cleanly.
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by kkielhofner on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @06:10AM
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I was just in a nuclear power plant in the US.
Needless to say several things stuck out but I was actually pretty surprised about their phone policy.
I was allowed to keep my phone the entire time and allowed to take pictures of everything except the control room and security related procedures, items, devices, etc. All the employee phones I saw were standard devices.
The asked us to avoid posting to social media but that was more of a consideration for why we were there. It didn’t seem to have anything to do with broader security concerns, etc.
All of that said you are accompanied by at least one escort the entire time, down to water breaks, bathroom visits (they wait for you outside), etc.
What they were most strict about was safety related issues that weren’t strictly nuclear related. For example, they take holding handrails incredibly seriously and if someone saw you taking a single step on stairs without holding a hand rail you’d (basically) get yelled at.
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by thmsths on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @09:58AM
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Regarding your last point I think it's a great attitude to have regarding safety in a nuclear power plant. It prevents the normalization of deviance. Which in turns helps prevent the larger accidents we typically associate with nuclear energy.
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by glawre on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @02:34PM
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This is quite a common policy in safety critical industries. I consulted at a large oil company a few years ago and they had a similar attitude in their head offices.
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by jimbobthrowawy on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @04:59PM
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What is even the purpose of preventing photos being taken of the controls in a commercial power plant? I thought all of it was documented elsewhere already and pretty standardised across the same model of reactor.
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by sgarland on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @08:38AM
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When I was in the Navy, the policy of Electric Boat (manufacturer of USN’s submarines) was if you wanted to bring a phone anywhere near a boat, it couldn’t have a camera. However, they would also accept permanently disabling it. A shipmate took his shiny new BlackBerry Storm, hole-punched the camera, and got security to sign off on it.
The Navy took a dimmer view of things, and forbade any phone in the engine room (which is where the nuclear reactor is controlled), camera or not. For a brief period of time, it was being discussed that they would also ban eReaders anywhere, but that didn’t get traction while I was in. I have to imagine things have gotten stricter if anything, given the capabilities of modern devices.
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by nirav72 on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @11:00AM
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yeah, I don't understand the e-reader issue either. Considering that space is at a premium in a sub. Maybe having lot of documentation on e-reader style devices might be a good thing. Provided those e-readers are issued by the Navy and aren't taken off the sub
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by lofaszvanitt on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @08:49AM
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I also removed my cameras and microphones from my old iPhones. It's kinda cool, but you have to explain yourself a lot when you leave your cable headset at home and can't talk with anyone without it :D.
You cancel the call, then write an sms: I can't talk right now, what's the problem?
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by Kon-Peki on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @09:28AM
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You were just way ahead of the trend. Current iPhones allow you to decline a call with a text message response, and even include some pre-populated responses to choose from.
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by eyelidlessness on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @04:37PM
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Apart from my parents, I pretty much decline incoming calls (with a text message response if warranted, usually if it’s from someone who doesn’t usually call out of the blue) across the board. I thought this was mostly pretty common these days! People still just expect you to pick up rando calls without prior notice?
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by Arrath on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @08:56PM
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Neither did I. At the controlled area of the shipyard I've been in and out of recently those deemed important enough to need phones inside had ruggedized flip phones with no cameras, it felt like something out of 2009.
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by dTal on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @11:57AM
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The number of ludicrous "security theater" stories in the linked thread go a long way to explaining why nuclear power is so expensive. My favorite is the delivery guy who had his clothes confiscated. I wonder if it was always this ridiculous or if it's a post-9/11 thing.
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by endemic on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @08:27PM
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I had an old iPhone where the previous owner had tried to repair it, but when reassembling left out a bracket that secured the camera connector to the motherboard. Dropping the phone would cause the connector to pop out, disabling the camera until I took the thing apart and reconnected it. Opening the camera app would just give a black screen.
Re:A camera-less iPhone issued to my buddy that works at a N...
by NikkiA on Saturday June 22, 2024 @12:35AM
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At very least you're likely to get the error message about the serial number being wrong on newer phones, since the camera assemblies are serial locked.
Needless to say several things stuck out but I was actually pretty surprised about their phone policy.
I was allowed to keep my phone the entire time and allowed to take pictures of everything except the control room and security related procedures, items, devices, etc. All the employee phones I saw were standard devices.
The asked us to avoid posting to social media but that was more of a consideration for why we were there. It didn’t seem to have anything to do with broader security concerns, etc.
All of that said you are accompanied by at least one escort the entire time, down to water breaks, bathroom visits (they wait for you outside), etc.
What they were most strict about was safety related issues that weren’t strictly nuclear related. For example, they take holding handrails incredibly seriously and if someone saw you taking a single step on stairs without holding a hand rail you’d (basically) get yelled at.
There is an extremely strong safety and process culture in the US nuclear industry.
The Navy took a dimmer view of things, and forbade any phone in the engine room (which is where the nuclear reactor is controlled), camera or not. For a brief period of time, it was being discussed that they would also ban eReaders anywhere, but that didn’t get traction while I was in. I have to imagine things have gotten stricter if anything, given the capabilities of modern devices.
You cancel the call, then write an sms: I can't talk right now, what's the problem?
And everyone thinks you are an idiot :D.
Whenever I see an unknown number, I just stare at it until it goes away.
I guess they have a valid excuse for not turning on cameras during zoom calls