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Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by adaml_623 on Saturday June 15, 2024 @05:43AM (#40688617)
What scientific return are we getting from a gram sized probe moving at 30,000 km per second?
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by Sharlin on Saturday June 15, 2024 @07:38AM (#40689116)
If you have enough of them, you get data from Alpha Centauri within a human (natural) lifetime. Plus the bragging rights, I guess, Starshot is after all a private endeavour.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by londons_explore on Saturday June 15, 2024 @06:45AM (#40688876)
Modern silicon design with mems sensors I suspect could do an awful lot with a gram.

Also, at this scale, not much can be done by hand, so you can make hundreds of them for not much more cost than doing one.

Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by bpfrh on Saturday June 15, 2024 @09:26AM (#40689661)
Doesn't modern electronics require massive shielding?

e.g. you would need too much shielding and would go over the 1 gram restriction.

Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by minitoar on Saturday June 15, 2024 @11:37AM (#40690416)
If you have enough of them you can just lose some fraction and still function.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by flaminHotSpeedo on Saturday June 15, 2024 @01:42PM (#40691281)
Also it may work out that a lighter, faster probe with a shorter service life could have a greater effective range, if the service life is less sensitive to weight changes than the speed is
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by minitoar on Monday June 17, 2024 @11:32AM (#40706652)
Right, that’s a nice way of thinking about it.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by SoftTalker on Saturday June 15, 2024 @10:50AM (#40690162)
And how do you get the data back from these probes? The voyagers have antennas that are close to 4 meters in diameter and ~25-watt radio transmitters. You aren't doing that in a gram, and you aren't powering that in a gram either.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by minitoar on Saturday June 15, 2024 @11:36AM (#40690409)
Just go read the starshot proposal. They address all of these issues, some more convincingly than others but they have thought it out in great detail.

In short, it’s a swarm of gram-scale probes and they work together to transmit.

Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by serf on Saturday June 15, 2024 @07:35AM (#40689098)
>scientific return

that comes after 'someone out there' misinterprets our super fast gram probes as weaponry and conquers our world for the sake of their own spacecraft safety.

it's ingenious really, let's antagonize a greater power into wormhole-bridge hopping over here so we can reverse engineer their tech.

/s , hopefully.

Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by lolc on Saturday June 15, 2024 @08:22AM (#40689324)
If they are so much as inconvenienced by our probes, they are not a greater power but bumbling roboticists like us.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by withinboredom on Saturday June 15, 2024 @11:00AM (#40690221)
1 gram at an appreciable amount of c is about as much energy as a nuke. Getting hit by a swarm of these while on a Sunday drive would fuck you up, no matter how powerful you are.

The real reason there isn’t a moon colony? Person gets fired and loses their shit, starts tossing 1-2 km sized rocks down the gravity well and … we all die.

Throwing shit in space is a sure fire way to piss off any species.

Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by kadoban on Saturday June 15, 2024 @11:36AM (#40690406)
It would take an insane amount of energy to throw that rock.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by withinboredom on Saturday June 15, 2024 @12:04PM (#40690597)
But you only need one. Maybe two for good measure
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by kadoban on Saturday June 15, 2024 @10:02PM (#40694156)
Same with a nuke or an engineered pathogen. Throwing rocks from the Moon is less practical though, people would see you setting up the universe's biggest launch pad or railgun for years. It would be the least stealthy, most telegraphed apocalypse possible.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by withinboredom on Monday June 17, 2024 @02:56AM (#40702944)
It only takes a 50-meter (radius) rock to destroy a city, a 240-meter rock to destroy an entire region, and a 4 km rock to destroy the planet.

So, I guess it depends on what you want to accomplish, whether they see it coming or not.

Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by kadoban on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @12:25AM (#40714065)
"Only". Those are huge! Especially when you consider the city you have to build around them to launch the damn things.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by withinboredom on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @03:46AM (#40715129)
The required delta-v isn't all that much from the moon, and it's more about the mass and speed than the actual shape of the rock.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by withinboredom on Monday June 17, 2024 @02:57AM (#40702952)
To throw a 100 meter rock that would wipe out NY city (and then some), we could do that with modern technology... assuming the rocket never had to slow down.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by mynameisvlad on Saturday June 15, 2024 @07:25AM (#40689048)
The claim was that it would always be the furthest man made object in the universe. Nothing about it being useful or scientific.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by Scarblac on Saturday June 15, 2024 @10:08AM (#40689919)
If its not useful, it's not going to be launched and accelerated that long.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by mynameisvlad on Saturday June 15, 2024 @11:51AM (#40690509)
People do things for shits and giggles all the time. SpaceX literally launched a model Tesla for absolutely no reason other than advertising both themselves and their sister company.

Doubly so if they can now become “the furthest man made object”. That’s massive free marketing.

It may also be exponentially easier to do so in the future, lowering the expenditure needed to make it happen.

It might not be reasonable right now, but, once again, the bar was set at always. That is an exceptionally high bar with very little reasoning behind it.

Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by digitallis42 on Saturday June 15, 2024 @12:36PM (#40690804)
They absolutely had way more of a reason than no reason. Za reason for the Tesla launch was that it was the first falcon 9 heavy launch, and no company was willing to gamble that large of a payload on a untested rocket. So they made the best of it with a PR stunt.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by mynameisvlad on Saturday June 15, 2024 @02:46PM (#40691807)
They literally could have sent up anything and it certainly wasn’t useful, which was GP’s only criteria for being launched.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by peterlada on Saturday June 15, 2024 @06:01AM (#40688701)
Today: almost certainly nothing In a decade: almost certainly very little In a century: almost certainly more than the Voyager
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by AlecSchueler on Saturday June 15, 2024 @08:34AM (#40689387)
Assuming climate change doesn't prevent any kind of launch or most further research.
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by tamaharbor on Saturday June 15, 2024 @08:54PM (#40693841)
Wouldn’t the reduction in atmospheric density due to warming make it easier to reach orbit, etc?
Re:Voyager 1 is back online! NASA spacecraft returns data fr... by AlecSchueler on Sunday June 16, 2024 @01:15PM (#40698589)
Yes but widespread flooding, drought, crop failures and economic collapses etc. would make it much harder to devote resources towards such launches.