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Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by andrewla on Friday June 07, 2024 @10:18AM (#40609001)
I've never seen any evidence of this. I've certainly seen instances of white supremacists giving each other the "ok" symbol, but I'm not aware of a single instance where this was used as an in-group identification.

This is a terminally online meme; it does not exist in the real world.

EDIT: to the replies -- no, this has not escaped containment in to the real world. Trolls continue to use it and to point out its usage by other trolls. But this is and remains an extremely common hand gesture routinely used by people with no racist overtones.

EDIT2: This is now a reply to a flagged dead comment so the only people who will see this are the people who are already in the conversation. I don't think I'll convince you, but please realize that the WaPo newsroom and twitter are not the real world. When people flash you the Ok symbol they are just signifying approval, not trying to lure you into their white supremacist world. When you give people the Ok symbol, you are expressing approval, and that is all. Nobody will think otherwise. When a white supremacist gives the Ok symbol to another white supremacist, they are expressing approval, like giving a thumbs up. There's no crypto-racist movement here that's sending secret coded messages to other crypto-racists. It's not like Bloods and Crips where flashing the wrong hand sign is going to get you beat up.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by llamaimperative on Friday June 07, 2024 @10:26AM (#40609070)
Except by the Christchurch shooter in court: https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/suspected-new-zealand-shooter-...

And on Jan 6: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/far-r...

And the Proud Boys: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/

Yes it started as "a joke" to troll the libs. And then became and has been used as intended.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by DontchaKnowit on Friday June 07, 2024 @03:50PM (#40612251)
Far right != white power movement or white nationalism.

Proud boys != white power group or white nationalist group.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by llamaimperative on Friday June 07, 2024 @04:13PM (#40612500)
Your claim was some mishmash of "only kids do it" and "no one does it in the real world" and "only trolls do it"

So I'm not sure what you think you're correcting here.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by DontchaKnowit on Monday June 10, 2024 @08:50AM (#40633045)
My claim was it is not a symbol of white power. And the article you linked provided 0 evidence to support the claim that it is associated with white power. It did associate it with the 3 percenters, who do not seem to be a white supremecist group.

Instead you seem to be claiming that right-wingers use the symbol, ergo it is racist or white power affiliated. That claim is false. Just because someone is a republican, doesnt make them a racist.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by llamaimperative on Monday June 10, 2024 @05:52PM (#40639600)
Wait but I thought the whole joke of making that hand sign was to trick people into thinking you're a racist? Doesn't the entire premise of the "joke" rest on the assumption that people do in fact associate that hand sign with racists?
Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by aspenmayer on Friday June 07, 2024 @11:55AM (#40609851)
That’s literally how high signs work - they’re plausibly deniable, and innocuous or indecipherable to those in the out-group, and/or a shibboleth signifying being part of the in-group.

> The title refers to the secret hand signal used by the film's underworld gang.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_High_Sign

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by lelandfe on Friday June 07, 2024 @11:23AM (#40609567)
> this is and remains an extremely common hand gesture routinely used by people with no racist overtones

Yep, agreed

> no, this has not escaped containment in to the real world

> Trolls continue to use it

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Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by DonHopkins on Friday June 07, 2024 @10:30AM (#40609108)
Everything is in real life -- it seems like you are a little bit out of date. Why are you in denial and under the delusion that the online world is not the "real world", just like the sad prosecutor in the Pirate Bay trial? [1]

It's not a good look to make excuses and carry the water for white supremacists by denying reality. The online world is quite real, and it has an enormous impact on the offline subset of the world that you naively consider to have a monopoly on "real".

A simple google would inform you about the reality of how that symbol is currently used in the real world, regardless of whether you consider google "real" or not. See the sibling comments and the articles and real-world photographs they link to, who took the effort to google that for you. Your argument that you've never seen any evidence is extremely weak if you refuse to look at the evidence when it's presented to you on a silver platter, and that makes you look like just another troll.

[1] https://gizmodo.com/pirate-bay-trial-watch-day-5-omg-is-this...

Pirate Bay Trial Watch Day 5: OMG, Is This Happening IRL?

The torrent trial of the century continues, and today, there are some pretty shocking revelations about just how much the prosecution knows. Is that a tinge of remorse I hear from The Pirate Bay dudes?

• The Pirate Bay's Peter Sunde (aka brokep) doesn't like copyright! "I like things that are not protected by copyright, this is a non-issue."

• The prosecutor knows the secret code for talking on the internets! "When did you meet [Gottfrid] for the first time IRL?" The judge asks, "IRL?" The prosecutor, being with it, coolly informs the judge it means "in real life," sucka.

• Oh snap, maybe he doesn't! The Pirate Bay's Peter responds, "We do not use the expression IRL." No, everything is in real life. We use AFK—away from keyboard." This makes for a sad prosecutor: "It seems I am a little bit out of date."