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Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by stanleykm on Friday June 07, 2024 @10:13AM (#40608945)
Even if it started as a fabrication it was pretty quickly adopted by the crowd you’d expect to be using such a hand gesture. IOW “Teehee I’m doing a hand gesture everyone thinks is racist but its not because its an internet joke” isnt the own you think it is.
Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by andrewla on Friday June 07, 2024 @10:18AM (#40609001)
I've never seen any evidence of this. I've certainly seen instances of white supremacists giving each other the "ok" symbol, but I'm not aware of a single instance where this was used as an in-group identification.

This is a terminally online meme; it does not exist in the real world.

EDIT: to the replies -- no, this has not escaped containment in to the real world. Trolls continue to use it and to point out its usage by other trolls. But this is and remains an extremely common hand gesture routinely used by people with no racist overtones.

EDIT2: This is now a reply to a flagged dead comment so the only people who will see this are the people who are already in the conversation. I don't think I'll convince you, but please realize that the WaPo newsroom and twitter are not the real world. When people flash you the Ok symbol they are just signifying approval, not trying to lure you into their white supremacist world. When you give people the Ok symbol, you are expressing approval, and that is all. Nobody will think otherwise. When a white supremacist gives the Ok symbol to another white supremacist, they are expressing approval, like giving a thumbs up. There's no crypto-racist movement here that's sending secret coded messages to other crypto-racists. It's not like Bloods and Crips where flashing the wrong hand sign is going to get you beat up.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by llamaimperative on Friday June 07, 2024 @10:26AM (#40609070)
Except by the Christchurch shooter in court: https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/suspected-new-zealand-shooter-...

And on Jan 6: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/far-r...

And the Proud Boys: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/

Yes it started as "a joke" to troll the libs. And then became and has been used as intended.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by DontchaKnowit on Friday June 07, 2024 @03:50PM (#40612251)
Far right != white power movement or white nationalism.

Proud boys != white power group or white nationalist group.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by llamaimperative on Friday June 07, 2024 @04:13PM (#40612500)
Your claim was some mishmash of "only kids do it" and "no one does it in the real world" and "only trolls do it"

So I'm not sure what you think you're correcting here.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by DontchaKnowit on Monday June 10, 2024 @08:50AM (#40633045)
My claim was it is not a symbol of white power. And the article you linked provided 0 evidence to support the claim that it is associated with white power. It did associate it with the 3 percenters, who do not seem to be a white supremecist group.

Instead you seem to be claiming that right-wingers use the symbol, ergo it is racist or white power affiliated. That claim is false. Just because someone is a republican, doesnt make them a racist.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by llamaimperative on Monday June 10, 2024 @05:52PM (#40639600)
Wait but I thought the whole joke of making that hand sign was to trick people into thinking you're a racist? Doesn't the entire premise of the "joke" rest on the assumption that people do in fact associate that hand sign with racists?
Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by aspenmayer on Friday June 07, 2024 @11:55AM (#40609851)
That’s literally how high signs work - they’re plausibly deniable, and innocuous or indecipherable to those in the out-group, and/or a shibboleth signifying being part of the in-group.

> The title refers to the secret hand signal used by the film's underworld gang.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_High_Sign

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by lelandfe on Friday June 07, 2024 @11:23AM (#40609567)
> this is and remains an extremely common hand gesture routinely used by people with no racist overtones

Yep, agreed

> no, this has not escaped containment in to the real world

> Trolls continue to use it

?

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by DonHopkins on Friday June 07, 2024 @10:30AM (#40609108)
Everything is in real life -- it seems like you are a little bit out of date. Why are you in denial and under the delusion that the online world is not the "real world", just like the sad prosecutor in the Pirate Bay trial? [1]

It's not a good look to make excuses and carry the water for white supremacists by denying reality. The online world is quite real, and it has an enormous impact on the offline subset of the world that you naively consider to have a monopoly on "real".

A simple google would inform you about the reality of how that symbol is currently used in the real world, regardless of whether you consider google "real" or not. See the sibling comments and the articles and real-world photographs they link to, who took the effort to google that for you. Your argument that you've never seen any evidence is extremely weak if you refuse to look at the evidence when it's presented to you on a silver platter, and that makes you look like just another troll.

[1] https://gizmodo.com/pirate-bay-trial-watch-day-5-omg-is-this...

Pirate Bay Trial Watch Day 5: OMG, Is This Happening IRL?

The torrent trial of the century continues, and today, there are some pretty shocking revelations about just how much the prosecution knows. Is that a tinge of remorse I hear from The Pirate Bay dudes?

• The Pirate Bay's Peter Sunde (aka brokep) doesn't like copyright! "I like things that are not protected by copyright, this is a non-issue."

• The prosecutor knows the secret code for talking on the internets! "When did you meet [Gottfrid] for the first time IRL?" The judge asks, "IRL?" The prosecutor, being with it, coolly informs the judge it means "in real life," sucka.

• Oh snap, maybe he doesn't! The Pirate Bay's Peter responds, "We do not use the expression IRL." No, everything is in real life. We use AFK—away from keyboard." This makes for a sad prosecutor: "It seems I am a little bit out of date."

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by DonHopkins on Friday June 07, 2024 @10:27AM (#40609091)
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Popehat%27s%...

Popehat's Law of Goats

He who fucks goats, either as part of a performance or to troll those he deems has overly delicate sensibilities is simply, a goatfucker.

"He claimed he was just pretending to be racist to trigger the social justice warriors, but even if he is telling the truth, Popehat's Law of Goats still applies."

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by DontchaKnowit on Friday June 07, 2024 @01:22PM (#40610751)
Okay this is bullshit.

Fucking a goat in this analogy is equivalant to BEING RACIST. E.g. commiting hate crimes, etc

The hand gesture is not in and of itself racist, therefore doing it does not make one a racist, or a goatfucker.

But nice try.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by llamaimperative on Friday June 07, 2024 @04:15PM (#40612518)
"Being racist" doesn't mean committing hate crimes.

You're allowed to be racist if you want and you're allowed to pretend you're a racist if you want. The goatfucker law still applies.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by DonHopkins on Friday June 07, 2024 @06:55PM (#40613775)
It's amazing how far racists will contort and bend over backwards not to see racism. It's like they're pretending racism doesn't exist, and has been totally eliminated in the "real world", and all that online stuff doesn't count. Once they paint themselves into a corner by arguing Trump isn't racist because he hasn't actually been convicted of lynching anyone, so all that stuff about Mexicans being rapists and Obama not being American doesn't count, it's pretty hard for anything to pass their definition of racism. (Except Democrats, of course, they are the real racists!)
Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by DontchaKnowit on Saturday June 08, 2024 @10:18AM (#40617712)
Dude calm down. The only point in making is that making the "okay" hand sign doesnt mean ur affiliated with a white power movement.

Im not justifying racism.

God people on the internet are fucking braindead when it comes to politics.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by DonHopkins on Friday June 07, 2024 @04:38PM (#40612730)
Fucking goats perpetuates goat fucking, and annoys goats, but it doesn't mean you have to hate the goat and attack it after you fuck it to qualify for being a goat fucker. Either way, love it or hate it, you fucked a goat.

Likewise, trolling racist memes perpetuates racism, and if you perpetuate racism, you're a racist, because of the effects of you behavior on other people, regardless of your purported intent, even if you claim to be only pretending. Either way, you perpetuated racism, which hurts people.

Bravely standing up for goat fuckers and racists and trolls doesn't look good on you. Try standing up for the victims of racism instead of the perpetrators. Your edgelord act is extremely tired and juvenile. Gamegate is over, kiddo. Steve Bannon is reporting to jail on July 1.

How the far right borrowed its online moves from gamers:

https://www.axios.com/2022/10/20/gamergate-right-online-hara...

>In particular, Donovan notes that Steve Bannon saw firsthand the power of Gamergate while running Breitbart News.

>Bannon took notes from the gaming controversy as well as from movements on the left, like Occupy, to develop strategies to apply in mainstream politics in Trump's 2016 campaign and from the White House.

>That expanded the use of online attack methods on a wider range of issues and, more recently, made them a significant part of mainstream right-wing politics.

Donald Trump and Steve Bannon need angry young men. They’re using Gamergate culture to get them:

https://qz.com/901761/donald-trump-and-steve-bannon-are-usin...

>Gamergate is a loose collection of disaffected (mostly) men who have used the issue of ethics in gaming journalism as a pretext to harass and attack women and many minority groups. The movement got its start in 2014 when a young man wanted to exact revenge on his ex-girlfriend. What started as a simple blog post became a campaign of harassment spearheaded by anonymous users on platforms like Reddit and 4chan. Gamergate has since used Twitter and other social-media platforms to lob misogynistic, homophobic, and anti-Semitic attacks on its critics.

What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right':

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/01/gamergate...

>The 2014 online hate-storm presaged the tactics of the Trump-loving far right movement. Prominent critics of the president elect should take note. The similarities between Gamergate and the current so called ‘alt-right’ movement are huge, startling, and in no way a coincidence.

Steve Bannon learned to harness troll army from 'World of Warcraft':

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/07/18/st...

>Before Steve Bannon oversaw the conservative Breitbart News Network and, subsequently, joined then-candidate Donald Trump's campaign, the chief political strategist became a player in Hollywood and ... World of Warcraft.

>"You can activate that army. They come in through Gamergate or whatever and then get turned onto politics and Trump." -Steve Bannon

Steve Bannon ordered to report to prison by July 1 to serve contempt of Congress sentence:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/06/politics/steve-bannon-jai...

>A federal judge on Thursday ordered Steve Bannon to report to prison by July 1, giving the former Donald Trump adviser a short window to get a higher court’s intervention.

Re:Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings by DontchaKnowit on Saturday June 08, 2024 @10:20AM (#40617718)
Fuck you and your thought-crime mentality. Im not perpetuating racism. Read my comments again, if you think its appropriate to accuse me of that over the comments I made, than you have truly lost the plot.