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Re:Boeing Starliner launches first crewed mission by dang on Thursday June 06, 2024 @05:04PM (#40602400)
It was mostly this part:

"I find it beyond unfortunate that so many in this community constantly feel the need to belittle Elon or downplay his accomplishments simply because they don’t like the guy, his politics, etc."

When I read a sentence like this it breaks down something like the following:

I find it beyond unfortunate - pejorative rhetoric

so many in this community - "me vs. the mob" is a provocation trope (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...)

constantly feel the need - this is a putdown as well as an assumption about the inner state of the other

to belittle Elon or downplay his accomplishments - more or less fine, except that "belittle" and "downplay" are pejoratives so it adds to the provocation

simply because they don’t like the guy - another putdown and imputation of inner state to the other

his politics, etc. - ups the ante at the end

I know I'm exaggerating quite a bit! I'm sure these interpretations are not what you intended. But this is exactly the sort of exaggeration that takes place in the reader's mind, so if the reader happens to be one of the people who you are criticizing, there's no doubt that all these signals will pack quite a punch, even if it wasn't a punch you intended to land.

Re:Boeing Starliner launches first crewed mission by Kye on Thursday June 06, 2024 @06:02PM (#40602874)
The "because you don't like the guy..." bit is one that used to set me off pretty reliably. There's a reason I don't like the guy (whatever guy [or gal, or nonbinary pal, etc] is under discussion at the time).

It's hard to remember in these discussions that other people have thoughts and feelings and perspectives and fall back on assuming they're just being irrational, or trying to obfuscate their true motives.

This is why I'm a fan of this particular guideline:

>> "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

Maybe my interlocutor is a sniveling suck-up to power driven entirely by fantasies of becoming the next boot on my neck, but we sure aren't going to go anywhere in a discussion if I launch off with that assumption. Especially if I'm wrong.

Re:Boeing Starliner launches first crewed mission by dang on Friday June 07, 2024 @01:08AM (#40605516)
I so agree! That guideline is one of my favorites too. It's a practical way of eliminating the most unnecessary tranches of kerfuffle.

I like it so much that I even wrote a mini essay about it a little while ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40602266.