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Re:Boeing Starliner launches first crewed mission by throwAGIway on Wednesday June 05, 2024 @08:30PM (#40592175)
I drove the Mercedes with officially regulated L2 self driving capability and it was much worse than the old Tesla model I tested years before... The current version is supposedly much further based on the online feedback, while the Mercedes is still bad.
Re:Boeing Starliner launches first crewed mission by paulryanrogers on Wednesday June 05, 2024 @11:37PM (#40593170)
L2 isn't marketed as Full Self Driving
Re:Boeing Starliner launches first crewed mission by throwAGIway on Friday June 07, 2024 @09:11AM (#40608406)
It's called Drive Pilot and the user experience of activation and usage is no different from a Tesla. It's just much less capable.
Re:Boeing Starliner launches first crewed mission by toss1 on Friday June 07, 2024 @03:26PM (#40612042)
Right, DrivePilot is less capable than a Tesla. Got it.

You still have provided ANY example of the topic of the discussion — a car that is actually self-driving, as in can get from one location to another on public roads with zero intervention by a human.

Telling us about another less capable car with driver-assist tech advances the conversation how?

Re:Boeing Starliner launches first crewed mission by throwAGIway on Saturday June 08, 2024 @04:04AM (#40616077)
You said that any proper definition/understanding of self driving means...

Well it doesn't. Mercedes will gladly sell you their much less capable self driving.

Sure I agree, it'd be great if self driving meant absolutely zero interventions. The market is elsewhere though.

Re:Boeing Starliner launches first crewed mission by toss1 on Thursday June 06, 2024 @01:57PM (#40600406)
OK, that tells me that the Tesla seems better than the Mercedes.

It does NOT tell me that either have achieved anything near the stated standard: "for practical purposes it is self-driving."

I don't think anyone promotes (or any reasonable person understands) L2 as self driving. SAE defines L2 assist [0] as "You ARE driving... you must constantly supervise and support these features ... lane centering and adaptive cruise control at the same time".

"Self driving" implies to me and everyone I know as "the car drives itself". As in I can safely sleep in the back seat as if another human were driving, or I could ask the car to come or go to a destination, as I could ask another human to drive my car to/from a destination.

Can you provide an example of ANY car doing this yet?

[0] https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update

Re:Boeing Starliner launches first crewed mission by throwAGIway on Friday June 07, 2024 @02:45AM (#40605944)
It's called Drive Pilot.