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Re:This Message Does Not Exist by tikhonj on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:46PM (#40549332)
It's still funny that the text of a message can exist without being a message itself. That must make sense in the specific context of Outlook, but it shows that the conceptual design of the software does not match how we want to think about the domain abstractly.
Re:This Message Does Not Exist by sherburt3 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:01PM (#40549424)
I don’t think the model is that far off. In real life I can read a letter and retain the contents in my mind, then burn the letter.
Re:This Message Does Not Exist by another-dave on Saturday June 01, 2024 @07:37PM (#40550071)
This letter cannot be read because it has been burnt to ash. You can only throw away the ashes. Make sure you read the letter and retain the contents in your mind, before you throw away the ashes, if you want to use them later.
Re:This Message Does Not Exist by Wolfenstein98k on Saturday June 01, 2024 @07:30PM (#40550027)
But this is claiming that the letter does not exist, while allowing you to read the contents of the letter.

If it can show you the content, the container must exist!

Re:This Message Does Not Exist by vince3455 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @10:50PM (#40550951)
In a post office, open a letter, burn the envelope. The content now exists, but the message does not.
Re:This Message Does Not Exist by chii on Sunday June 02, 2024 @12:51AM (#40551463)
but that implies the message is the envelope, which is not typically what a message means.
Re:This Message Does Not Exist by derefr on Saturday June 01, 2024 @08:32PM (#40550360)
I would assume Outlook means that its locally-cached copy of the message exists, but the original server-side (probably IMAP) message no longer exists. And that without that message, there's no server-side resource to update — just a resource representation of a snapshot of that server-side resource, still temporarily persisted in a client-side read-through cache.
Re:This Message Does Not Exist by denton-scratch on Sunday June 02, 2024 @04:04AM (#40552320)
> the original server-side (probably IMAP) message no longer exists.

Doesn't Outlook rely on the Exchange mailstore?

It's a long time since I was near to Outlook and Exchange, but I thought the Exchange mailstore was some kind of X400 abomination, and that the IMAP capability was a bolt-on.

Re:This Message Does Not Exist by nuancebydefault on Sunday June 02, 2024 @02:12PM (#40556128)
Does Outlook can even have opinions?