Centuries of milk marketing warped the way we think about dairy and nutrition

Re:Centuries of milk marketing warped the way we think about... by dualogy on Friday May 31, 2024 @06:22PM (#40540943)

But the quoted poster said "dairy", not milk. Lots of dairy has little to no lactose, from butter to cream-cheeses to indeed cream itself (clotted, double, or even the liquid 30% fat "whipping cream") to yogurts / kefirs, and pretty much all kinds of cheeses too...

I can't handle milk either, or anything high-lactose. The above things, though, no prob. I'd guess most of the "lactose-intolerant" will do alright with moderate (non-binge) amounts of such low- (but not no-) lactose foods.

Variations of all those are indeed much-loved staples all over the world, whether of the cow or the goat or the sheep (or gazelle? caribou? ruminant species abound!) variety, depending on regional grazing conditions I guess.

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Re:Centuries of milk marketing warped the way we think about... by JumpCrisscross on Friday May 31, 2024 @06:41PM (#40541081)

> Lots of dairy has little to no lactose

Sure. The point remains: dairy hasn’t been “a massively important staple of advanced societies for thousands of years.” It was an important food in a minority of them, and even there biologically recently.

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Re:Centuries of milk marketing warped the way we think about... by lenkite on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:17PM (#40542327)

How "biologically recently" are you talking about ? In India, milk has been there since the first domestication of cattle 8000 years ago. Ancient Indian civilization was built on milk. Not only was it drunk regularly but it was also turned into ghee.

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Re:Centuries of milk marketing warped the way we think about... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday June 01, 2024 @11:48AM (#40546704)

> How "biologically recently" are you talking about ? In India, milk has been there since the first domestication of cattle 8000 years ago

10,000 years. See top comment.

North Indian lactase was inherited from the Middle East. (I’m Northern Indian, in large part.)

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Re:Centuries of milk marketing warped the way we think about... by lenkite on Sunday June 02, 2024 @07:43AM (#40553291)

That list _glaringly_ excludes butter. (Why ? That is so silly). Try adding it back and India will fall into top 5.

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Re:Centuries of milk marketing warped the way we think about... by alan-hn on Sunday June 02, 2024 @05:32PM (#40557334)

Right? Which Indians don't eat ghee

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Re:Centuries of milk marketing warped the way we think about... by dyauspitr on Saturday June 01, 2024 @12:24AM (#40542856)

The entire nation of India has essentially lived on milk for thousands of years. Tribes in East Africa essentially only live on meat, milk and blood. All of Central Asia has always lived on milk from livestock. It’s pretty much everyone other than pre Columbian South Americans and East Asians. Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, the Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Indus Valley civilization etc.

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