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Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by jazzyjackson on Thursday May 30, 2024 @02:37AM (#40520785)
I thought EVs were good for the environment, shouldn't we be grateful for the communist party's efforts in making them affordable?
Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by chii on Thursday May 30, 2024 @03:18AM (#40521029)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmLekaO4LMc

from an economics professor who examines the evidence about what is causing the trade war between china and the west.

The main thesis is that car manufacturing (and associated manufacturing such as batteries, electronics etc) is "strategic" enough that the west doesn't want to build a dependence on china for it.

In the event of a war, china can cripple the west by cutting off the exports, and/or potentially install backdoors into the devices and shut them down to disrupt etc.

Not to mention that by allowing china to own the manufacturing, they will have built up the massive industrial capacity for which it is easy to convert to a war time factory. The west's dwindling manufacturing capacity would mean that china will out-produce and win - lessons that is learnt from WW2.

Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by protomolecule on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:10AM (#40522356)
>In the event of a war, china can cripple the west by cutting off the exports

Isn't that a good thing? This makes the all-out war between China and the US much less likely.

Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by blake1 on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:32AM (#40522484)
It’s a bad thing if it increases China’s confidence that it can win. Wars are often launched as soon as one side thinks it has a winning strategy that might slip away over time.
Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by protomolecule on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:42AM (#40522562)
Win what?
Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by adrianN on Thursday May 30, 2024 @08:30AM (#40522902)
Taiwan, control over the pacific…
Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by protomolecule on Thursday May 30, 2024 @11:32AM (#40524913)
Taiwan is part of China and both ROC and PRC have claims on the whole China.

As for the Pacific ocean, it's not an American gulf, it's literally half a planet. Nobody can't control it, even the US with all their military bases on Pacific islands.

Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by mensetmanusman on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:52AM (#40522621)
No, more likely. (Assuming China recognized how weak the US would be if it had no large machine manufacturing at home).
Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by chii on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:34AM (#40522497)
no, under the proposed dependency scenario, it makes china hold an outsized bargaining position because china _can_ withstand a war while the west wouldn't. It's not a symmetrical relationship - china can survive their stopping of exports, as they are an autocracy, which means the citizens cannot complain (much). The west's citizens would not want to make sacrifices or suffer as imports get stopped, and thus will acquiesce policies on china when it is actually not advantageous to do so otherwise. For example, reneging on the sort of defacto protection being offered for a lot of the east asian countries (japan, korea etc).

The war that russia is waging against ukraine is clear evidence used to support this point - that being dependent on russian gas/oil was a mistake and europe is paying dearly for it.

Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by protomolecule on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:48AM (#40522599)
>as they are an autocracy, which means the citizens cannot complain

You mean like in the Middle East during the Arab spring?

>The west's citizens would not want to make sacrifices

That's how democracy works, right?

>europe is paying dearly for it

Some would say that Europe is paying for American "Fuck the EU"[0] policy.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by throwaway1105q on Thursday May 30, 2024 @02:22PM (#40527020)
There are very significant budget/capability differences between any of the Arab Spring states and China. Also internal religious and ideological differences - there is no large armed faction in China.
Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by protomolecule on Thursday May 30, 2024 @04:45PM (#40528490)
I don't think that 1.5 billion people can be a monolithic society.
Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by Nux on Thursday May 30, 2024 @03:50AM (#40521209)
They come with the high cost of potentially killing the local industry and after a while all you'll end up with is a bunch of cheap network connected Chinese cars, possibly backdoored by CCC, with no ability to build or maintain your own. Then you're at China's mercy, it's not always about money.
Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by silon42 on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:30AM (#40522475)
It should be law in EU/US and other countries that all imported "smart"/connected firmware must be replaceable by local variants (this includes iPhone, 5G networks, routers, etc)
Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by rightbyte on Thursday May 30, 2024 @10:38AM (#40524310)
Sounds like a FOSS issue. The 'trust me bro' solution by using domestic cars that are know to spy on us is hardly any good.

Like, mandate any radio receiver in a car is air gaped from the cars operation.

These connected cars are really bad from a safety perspective.

And soon they will have brake and steer by wire to cut costs too ...

Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by protomolecule on Thursday May 30, 2024 @07:42AM (#40522557)
Why is that a problem? Just be a good member of global community.
Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by Nux on Thursday May 30, 2024 @09:00AM (#40523140)
That's a fantasy. China is already propping up Russia and has a war agenda of its own in Asia (Taiwan).
Re:Starlink's Disruption of the Space Industry by protomolecule on Thursday May 30, 2024 @09:39AM (#40523589)
Why shouldn't China keep trading with Russia?

Taiwan is populated by Chinese who got split off as the result of civil war. Republic of China aka Taiwan still hasn't renounced its claim on the whole China and neither has the People's Republic Of China.